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    From Reiss's mailbag:

    Entering Monday night's game, 12 NFL teams had called on a backup quarterback to either start a game, or enter a scoreless game in the first quarter. Eight of those teams have losing records in those situations. So I think it's clear that when teams have to go to their backup, it's usually bad news.

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    Re: Cassel vs the Vaunted Vet Backup

    Just furthur evidence of how many Pats fans are thoroughly spoiled by Brady and wining. The fantasy fans throw a tantrum when the team is not scoring 40 pts/game. Kinda quiet on that front this week, but wait untill Cassel has his real stinker of a game throwing 2-3 picks when he is the main reason the Pats lose. All QBs have a game or so like that. Farve a few more than most. :)
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    Re: Cassel vs the Vaunted Vet Backup

    I remember reading a article in the off-season and it said something that there 60 QB's that started in at least one game last season. That's a pretty amazing stat.
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    Re: Cassel vs the Vaunted Vet Backup

    Paging Dr. Freud, Dr. Camembert, Dr. Brie... :D
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    Re: Cassel vs the Vaunted Vet Backup

    How many backups have posted a QB rating as high as Cassel in an individual game ?
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    Re: Cassel vs the Vaunted Vet Backup

    So you mean most teams dont have an all star back up QB as many complained we did not have and were at fault for not having.
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    Re: Cassel vs the Vaunted Vet Backup

    Backups ziltch...

    QB in total 8, including Philip Rivers 141.9 against NEP defense.
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    Re: Cassel vs the Vaunted Vet Backup

    Usually a QB is a back up because he sucks as a starter. There aren't enough starting quality QBs in the league even when the position is at full strength. That is why guys like JT O'Sullivan, Brodie Croyle (at least until he was IRed), and Kerry Collins have starting jobs.

    I don't know if Cassel is the best back up the Pats could have had going into the season, but once Brady went down he was their best option to replace him.

    I do agree that people are spoiled with Brady. I think there are far too many people on this board who jump off a cliff every time there is a remote sign of trouble.
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    Re: Cassel vs the Vaunted Vet Backup

    Many of them do have an "all star QB" that went to the pro-bowl when Matt was a star QB at Chatsworth High School. It just they suck now.
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    I heartily disagree. Not enough people jump off a cliff every time there is a remote sign of trouble.
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    Re: Cassel vs the Vaunted Vet Backup

    Here's the fairest way to evaluate the quality of a #2 quarterback, IMO:

    List all the QBs in the league who you think are better than him.

    - If the number is 32 or less, your backup is truly outstanding.
    - If it's 48 or less, that's a very good, solid backup QB.
    - 64 or less and you have a reasonable backup, but nothing more than that.
    - Over 64 and you haven't put yourself in a good position with QB depth.

    Personally, I don't think I can go above 48 with Cassel.
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    I know I couldn't get past 48, I am not even sure if I could get to 32.
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    Great analysis, but it's lost on the vocal crowd who even prefer guys NOBODY in the 32 team league will sign, like Culpepper. Of course that vocal crowd lies low and doesn't start 50 threads after a big Pats W like Monday night. They'll be back in force posting threads at the 1st signs of adversity and after Cassel's stinker game.
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    Re: Cassel vs the Vaunted Vet Backup

    How many teams in the league have the talent, the attitude in the locker room and the coaching staff that the Patriots have?

    How would those vet QBS perform on the Patriots? I don't know.


    Cassel has done enough to bring the Patriots to 4-2.....hopefully he can overcome his obvious faults as he learns how to play the position in the NFL.
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    I haven't seen anybody advocate the signing of Culpepper.....this must be a figment of your imagination.

    When Belichick say's that Cassel is the best guy for the job right now, I believe he is correct.
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    I don't post imaginary BS. We were besieged here by many posts and even threads advocating the signing of Culpepper when Brady went down. I cannot blame you for not having read those idiotic rants.
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    I wouldn't read a thread adovating gettning Culpepper because that is assanine.
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    That was my point, precisely.
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    Just search this board for Threads with Culpepper in them and you will find plenty of people advocating that.

    Were you being Sarcastic?:D I suspect you were.
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    Lets be realistic. What has Cassel done that ANY other crap QB can't do? The throws he makes are essentially the "easy stuff": Screens, slants, dump offs. The knock on him is that he is incapable of (or just sucks at) doing the stuff that guys get paid money to do, like create time in the pocket, make down field reads, deliver the ball in traffic, interprete coverages QUICKLY and make good on field decisions.

    By the way, I judge the Pats on the upper 25% of what the other teams are doing, not the bottom 75%. So lets compare him to the top backups: Garcia, Ferrotte, Carr, Collins, etc. I would take ANY ONE OF THEM over him. The ONLY THING he has going right now is knowledge of the system. PERIOD. And this is BB's fault. We should have been carrying a veteran the last 4 years.

    PS He also is at the helm of a group of guys that were one of the most prolific offenses in history. Keep that in mind when comparing him to Brady of 2001. Welker/Moss vs. Troy Brown/Patten, Watson vs. Wiggins...
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    Re: Cassel vs the Vaunted Vet Backup

    Yes, the Patriots have talent. But so do the Cowboys. Brad Johnson couldn't win with a wr like TO.

    What can Cassel do that say Sage Rosethal can't do? Protect the f'en ball.

    Just out of curiosity who should the Patriots not signed to pay this Vet. The guys you listed cost at least $1 million more than Cassel. So do we not sign Welker or not sign Moss last year to pay for this back up QB?
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    Re: Cassel vs the Vaunted Vet Backup

    Wade Philips+Jerry Jones+Owens vs Bill Belichick

    Cassel has thrown interceptions and fumbled the ball, so your comparison isn't very good....besides...what can Sage do that Matt can't do? Read NFL defenses, make reads, keep his eyes down field and throw the ball deep with confidence..

    Lets not also forget that the Texans are a far cry from the patriots in a lot ofways.
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    The first paragraph is precisely the criticisms levelled at the newly starting Tom Brady.

    Other than experience what do Frerotte and Kerry Collins have that Matt Cassel doesn't? Frerotte is completing 57% of passes, and Collins 56%. David Carr? Really? Jeff Garcia is not a backup.
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    So you named 4 backups you'd rather have..out of 32. That is a pretty darn good backup QB. 4-2 with a QB rating of 86.8.

    dare to say not ANY "crap QB" can do that.

    Name me 16 or more backup QB's that are better, and back it up with something, like stats, and then maybe you would have even a chance at having a point.
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    Sage Rosenfels can make down field throws. Sage was responsible for moving the offense WITH HIS ARM. Not with dump offs and screens which rely on someone other than the QB to make a play. He made plays. Cassel has made 1 or 2 plays in 6 games.

    Your arguement that 1 million would be the difference between signing Moss/Welker is assinine. Its more like whether they would sign a guy like Lynch or that LB from the Jets we cut...or how about not signing Antonio Bryant? I think I'd live without them to sleep better at night that THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION on the field is in good hands.
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    !) That simply isn't true, the crisitism leveled at Brady at the start of his career was he couldn't throw the ball deep and he had a weak arm.

    2)hall of fame WR, pro bowl WR, hall of fame coach..IDK that might make a difference or two.

    Don't get me wrong, I am rooting for Cassel, I want him to suceed, but lets not mislead ourselves
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    You're funny....ALL of your posts belie that fact, missy.
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    I am just posting what I see and what I think. I don't think Cassel is a very good NFL caliber QB ATM, I think that there were better options available at the beginning of training camp.


    I root for Cassel when he plays, I want him to do well, I cheer loudly when he throws the ball or even throws the ball away instead of take a sack.

    Just because I am critical doesn't mean I want him to fail. I want him to suceed, because I love the Patriots.
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    When he is throwing dump offs, screens and slants....hell, my local High School QB could do that. Like I said, talent wise he has shown nothing other than accuracy within 10 yards. The stat Monday night was that his is like 25% over 10 yards...then you wonder why he can't move the ball...smoke a bone!
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    1. I'm sorry, but this is another thing you are misremembering. Up until 2004 fans from all other teams were saying Brady can only throw screens, Brady is only successful because of YAC.

    2. 5 game starter. That also makes a difference.
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