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  1. TheGodInAGreyHoodie

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    Among QB with 100 or more attempts (there are 21 of them)

    Cassel is tied for first place for % of passes completed at 63% with future a HOF QB aka God.

    All other have a lower % of passes completed.....

    Hugh Millen 60.5
    Tony Eason 58.4
    Drew Bledsoe 56.3
    Scott Secules 56
    Tom Hodson 54.3
    Matt Cavanaugh 53.5
    Steve Grogan 52.3 (Patriots HOF)
    Marc Wilson 51.6
    Tom Ramsey 51.2
    Tom Owen 50.9
    Scott Zolak 50.8
    Doug Flutie 48.5
    Jim Plunkett 48.5
    Butch Songin 47.2
    Babe Parilli 47.2
    Mike Taliaferro 44.9
    Joe Kapp 44.7
    Tom Yewcic 42.2
    Tom Sherman 39.8


    Cassel has the third best passer rating at 76.7 he is behind

    God 92.9 and
    Tony Eason 80.6.

    He has a better passer rating than ...

    Pro-bowler Drew Bledsoe 75.9
    Hugh Millen 71.8
    Butch Songin 71.7
    Matt Cavanaugh 70.9
    Steve Grogan 69.6
    Scott Zolak 65.8
    Babe Parilli 64.8
    Tom Hodson 64.1
    Marc Wilson 62.6
    Doug Flutie 61
    Tom Yewcic 60.2
    Jim Plunkett 59.7
    Tom Ramsey 59.6
    Scott Secules 54.3
    Mike Taliaferro 49.8
    Tom Sherman 45.6
    Tom Owen 44.3
    Joe Kapp 32.6

    Cassel doesn't do as well in the area of % int, here he is only the 5th best at 3.3 %. Losing out to of course to God 2.4%, Zolak, Bledsoe & Eason. But better than many others such as Flutie and Grogan.

    The one are where Cassel is among the worst is sack % at 11.3 only Flutie and Hodson got sacked more often, but how much of that is the QB and how much of that is an o-line break down.
     
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    Interesting. I don't think the offensive woes are all Cassel, and this might help prove that. They need a better running game and a more consistent Oline. I'm praying the return of Neal and Ross help that. If Cassel gets a little more time and learns to pull it down just a smidge later after seeing a few more reads, this could be good. Not world beaters, but certainly up there in the AFC, which is floundering this year.
     
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    Love it. At least the coaching staff and some fans realize that 16-0 is the exception not the rule.

    You know, if the team had gone through the regular season last year at 13-3 and won the Super Bowl before losing Brady this season, the anti-Cassel uproar wouldn't be so bad. Last year was so special. Gonna keep rooting for Cassel to help make this a special season, as well, albeit a bit different.
     
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    excellent post. Now can we back off the kid and give him a chance to succeed
     
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    Bingo. I was irritated with him last week, but that was a tall order. He should be up to snuff, but who else would give us a better chance to win? No one, says BB.
     
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    Apparently a rookie who could barely command the ship at SAN DIEGO STATE.
     
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    "I believe so. I think I've had the vote of confidence from the coaching staff all along. Otherwise, I wouldn't be in the position I'm in. Because we lose one game, I don't feel that I should be worried about my job, to be completely honest. We're 3-2 right now, we're one game back from Buffalo. I'm sure that there are a lot of teams wishing they were 3-2. Do we need to go out and have more production? Of course we do. That's what we're working toward right now. We're not 0-5 right now, I'll tell you that much. We're still working to get better. I'm still maturing every week. That's what we're going to work toward."

    From Globes wesbite...................Matt's happy he's 3-2 with a cream puff schedule. He's happy he isn't 0-5. Happy to be in second place. This sounds terrifying.
     
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    Come on lets stop fooling ourselves. If we went back to before week one and said Brady would get hurt within 10 min of the season starting we would all be happy to be 3-2 right now. I am sure he didn't mean he was content to be just above .500 but that it is a good starting point. Keep this pace up and you will be 9-6 going into the last week with a chance at the playoffs. Ideally you would like to improve at some point and compete for a bye but for now I am OK with the pace.
     
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    I have seen the quote before. I don't find it terrifying, I find it honest. He is not happy about the two losses and he realizes the team including himself needs to improve. But the team could be 0-5. Many on this very board said if Brady went down week 1 and Matt Cassel was the QB we go from being the second undefeated team to become the second winless team. He has already proven those folks wrong.
     
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    Completion percentage and rating are misleading because to this point, Cassel's completions fall mostly under 10 yards from the line of scrimmage. Madden pointed out rightly that Cassel on third and ten never gets the ball past the sticks. He has had trouble throwing deep. He has trouble with intermediate throws (you see his missing Watson by ten yards on the last play of the game?). Heck, he even has troulbe with screens.
     
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    So lets summarize:

    The fact that the Patriots have a winning record is meaningless.

    The fact that the Patriots right now have the 6th best record in the AFC and thus would get a playoff spot is meaningless.

    The fact that MC has the same % of pass completion as Tom Brady is meaningless.

    Because actual facts and data contradicts your doom and gloom the team sucks without Brady opinion.
     
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    He has trouble with: throwing deep, intermediate and screens. Yet opposing defenses still allow him to complete a high percentage of short passes. Luckily every other team in the NFL are full of incompetent morons! :D
     
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    How do we know that though? BB sees them both every week, and he didn't play him. Thus, I think it's safe to assume he doesn't.
     
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    Great response!

    Thanks for getting these stats. Wish the Pats stick it in their locker room so that MC doesn't get depressed upon reading the constant negative rants of the media and some fans. And maybe the OL (and the WRs to an extent I guess) realizes that they too have to step up and give the kid a bit more support.
     
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    Here are some other stats for you to consider:

    Cassel ranks 22nd in the league with 910 yards passing, he is 22nd in the league with an average of 6.4 yards per completion, he is 25th in the league with only 7 passes that have gone more than 20 yards, and 23rd for passes resulting in first downs.

    His rankings in these areas are below such superstar QBs as Brian Griese, Gus Frerotte, and JT O'Sullivan. At least he has JaMarcus Russell and Tyler Thigpen behind him.

    So, lets temper our enthusiasm with respect to his QB rating and passing percentage. He is not getting first downs, he is not accurately throwing the intermediate and long ball and his throws consist almost exclusively of short throws.
     
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    I was saying that as a bad thing and making fun of the notion that people think O'Connell is better.
     
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    Oh haha, sorry. I agree completely. My bad.
     
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    - He is 22nd in YPG but right with him is Big Ben, Edwards (missed a game), and Anderson.

    - He is 25th in the league in passes of 20+ yards, tied with Big Ben (and injured Hasselback and Palmer) and ahead of Anderson and the great Flacco.

    The first down problem is a major issue, far to often he dumps it off to the check down guy - who is open for a reason. But if you want to dump on Cassel then Roethlisberger must suck to.
     
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    The OP is comparing his stats to TB. I am simply demonstrating that his stats, upon further review are not great. Not even in the top half of the league. Can you argue against that?
     
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    Why should we consider 22nd, 22nd, 25th and 23rd to be bad when he's a backup playing behind a struggling offensive line during the first 5 'starts' in his NFL career? You people are too determined to be the smartest pessimist in the room.
     
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