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Cassel throws 4 TD's while mourning. Why didnt he get the coverage Favre did?

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  1. Lifer

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    Brett Favres performance on MNF against Oakland after his father died has been treated like the greatest athletic feat in the history of mankind.
    Matt Cassel played just as well yesterday, and some in the media noted it, but not NEARLY with the hype the media always gushes on Brett Overated.
    Him dancing around yesterday after the Bills handed the Jets the victory made me want someone to throw a shoe at HIM. The Jets won in spite of Favre.

    And Cassel deserves a lot more attention for the way he played Sunday.
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    Biggest difference was that it was on MNF and Brett's father passed away a day before the game.

    Also, there really wasn't much exciting the way Matt got his four TDs. It was all pretty much short passes, except the 20-yarder to Moss. I could have sworn that Favre threw some long bombs to get his four TDs.
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    Why, because you are talking about Brett favre and Cassel. Everybody knows who Brett Favre is.
    Great game by Matt, but he is no Brett Favre.

    Why would that bother any one.
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    I agree with you 100%, but nowadays everything is an offense to someone.
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    I remember that game (of Favre's). I've never disliked him like most Pat's fans. I always thought he was great, enjoyed the way he played, and wished he was a Patriot, from day one. He plays the game with passion, fire, and heart. He is definately one of the top 10 QB's of all time. That being said, his game was a nationally televised Monday night game, and I believe his father might have died the day before the game, which made the game that much more magnified on a national stage. Also, Favre is a more in your face kind of person than Cassel. I think that's why the Favre game is mentioned so much. What Cassel did was also amazing, but Cassel is a quiet unassuming person. What both of these guys did was amazing, I don't know if I could function for a month, if my father passed away.
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    You must summarily present your list of top 10 QBs. Prepare for the 8 pages of flame.
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    Everything Favre does gets ridiculous attention and praise. I know he's a legend, but the gushing the media does over him is beyond sickening at this point. He could throw 7 picks, but if his team somehow pulls the game out, they'd give him most of the credit.
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    I'm a long-time Brett Hater. Find him to be the most selfish "me" "me" "me" player I ever seen. All about the personal glory. He just "uses" the "team." Fake as a three dollar bill too. Hate him with a passion. WAY over-rated. And, quite frankly, he pretty much sucks now.

    I'm glad they did not fawn over Cassel. It's a tragedy - losing one's father so young - and it's a private matter too. Only Brett Favre would exploit THAT situation to make himself look good.
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    1) Joe Montana
    2) Johnny Unitas
    3) John Elway
    4) Tom Brady
    5) Brett Favre
    6) Peyton Manning
    7) Dan Marino


    8-10 that's a tough call, some old timers for sure, like Sammy Baugh, and maybe Dan Fouts, etc.

    That's my list, I'm sure everyone else's is different
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    If anyone remembers, Favre's "great" game that day were mostly thanks to his receivers. Lord Favre did his usual routine of chucking it up for grabs, but his receivers made some great plays on the ball and reeled in several passes that could've been INTs. People tend to forget that with the Favre mythos...
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    I don't remember it that way, tho, I'm not a Favre hater. I remember that MNF performance as truly awesome. I think Cassel had a great game yesterday.

    Found this on Youtube of his TD's that night. Now, I agree with his sensationism, but I don't see the receivers having to lay out for his passes.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqe2GSKpzro
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    Almost.

    Biggest difference was that it was on MNF and Madden never could stop gushing about Favre. Five will get you ten he takes pictures of Favre into the bathroom.

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    My memory could be faulty, but I'm fairly certain there were several throws that required great plays from his WRs. On that day they made them instead of being intercepted. If anything it pretty much sums up Favre's career, where he will gamble and sometimes it pays off and other times it kills you.
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    Favre is a media whore...always has been..it just shows how the media bows down to some athletes..an don't really care about others....It's all typical of MAKING stories larger or smaller..as for football hype..ESPN, MBNF..they are basically all blow hards..promoting what they wish...which is WHY mots is garbage and could be gone...VERY few discussion on either ESPN or NFLN are really anything close to good..
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    Love your top 4, Brady might be my 3rd over Elway, but i like your thinking.

    where mine is different is i think a lot of Roger Staubach and Terry Bradshaw as QB's and i would have them 5 and 6, Baugh at 7, Bart Starr at 8, Manning at 9, then take your pick among Favre, Marino and Aikman after that.
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    Matt Cassel is better than Brett Favre (today, not in his prime)
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    I think the straight up answer is that in 2003, Brett Favre had been in the League since 1992, had played in nearly 200 games, was the League's only three time MVP, had won a Super Bowl and was without dispute on his way to Canton. I don't have a problem with the differential treatment. It would have been unreasonable to have expected anything else, even if a little more recognition of what Matt did would have been nice. However, the media and the NFL are not about "nice."
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    This also describes ESPN....


    SPYGATE.....SPYGATE.....BB sux....BB sux.....Patiots blow...Favre rules....Cassel is the worse QB ever....
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    In 2003, Favre had a decade in the NFL, multiple MVPs, a Lombardi as starting QB, a ridiculous consecutive game streak and played in Green Bay where the fans relate to their players a little differently than they do with the big market teams. His close relationship with his father was well-publicized before his father died unexpectedly of a heart attack.

    I don't have the Favre hatred you exhibit (I respect him for his best football days, but I believe his best days are well behind him and he receives more praise than he deserves at this point), but I have read articles since Favre has been in the NFL.

    I suspect Cassel and Favre had the same press release (father passed away unexpectedly), but less is known nationally of Cassel who is a virtual rookie and not a well-known veteran with Favre's accomplishments as of 2003. The media takes it from there, not the individual.

    It is apples and oranges to compare the media response to the two, and exhibits a fair degree of ignorance to say Favre self-promoted himself as a hero when he played against the Raiders after his father died. Hate the guy if you want, but have a factual basis for that conclusion if you want to post a message of empathy related to the handling of news of the death of a parent.
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    Good list and brave of you to put it forth, so no flaming here. Can't argue with any of the names you have there. Brady and Manning are still "Incompletes." I think rings are critical in evaluating QB's, so if Manning somehow picked up two more, his career stats would put him ahead of TB. With even one ring, Marino would be well up the list. If Tommy had his fourth, I'd argue that he belongs at the top or in a respectful tie with Montana. Hopefully, he'll come back in good enough form to get it. I also think that ultimately he will deserve to be ranked above Elway, but that's where the "Incomplete" comes in. Bradshaw has four rings; you can't leave him off the list and pretty high up on it no matter how much we love to dis him. Bart Starr belongs on it too and in the top three. He led the Pack to five NFL titles, including two SB's. You're right about Sammy Baugh, but I'd also want to argue for Sid Luckman, if for nothing else, for his impact on how the game was played (first great T Formation QB). I'd have to think about it before I rank ordered them, but we agree on Number One. I'd probably have Starr number two and move Unitas down a few notches.

    Bottom Line: just being on this list makes you great. Then, it's just a matter of arguing over your rightful slot among the greats.
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    like how when the jets RB had that huge run for a td yesterday, and then they said "farve always finding a way to get it done" I cant even stand hearing all the favre bull crap anymore.
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    puttling john elway and unitas over tom brady is a F*cking joke
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    Why don't we talk about everyone that has a father pass away? Why do they give more publicity to Cassel and his father and not anyone else?
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    I not sure how the names on my list would fall. I wouldn't call someone else's list a F'n joke tho. Did you take into account that the rules were a tad different in those qb's eras. Not sure where Bradshaw would be on my list (as someone mentioned) but he was the qb of all those winning Superbowl teams, and I've never seen a qb take a bigger hit in my life with no flags thrown.
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    Okay I understand why Cassel didn't get as much coverage as Favre, but why did this get less coverage than a BB handshake?
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    That is debatable, Would it be fair to say that when Favre played the Raiders after his Dad died, at that point in his career he was a better QB then Cassel is today. I suppose that can be debated also.

    Back on topic, Favre is an icon world famous SB winning QB.

    Matt Cassel is Brady's back up. It should not surprise anyone that the Favre's and Brady's of the world get more attention then Matt Cassel.
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    Why would you say that? I personally think that Brady is the G.O.A.T. based upon all I've seen and heard (I only go back to the 70's with first-hand knowledge, and the rest is film, tape, numbers and interviews), but placing players like Montana, Unitas, Graham, Starr, or Elway ahead of Brady is certainly not a joke. In fact, CHFF does place many of them ahead of Brady, placing Brady fifth in their top ten of all time list:

    Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: The definitive list: Top 10 NFL quarterbacks

    I don't agree with CHFF because I think Brady gets penalized for not playing for as many years as those in front of him, but when you look at the quarterbacks at the very top of the mountain, it's one hell of a group and arguments can be made for many of them. In fact, while I can disagree, I think people could legitimately argue for any of CHFF's top 6 as the G.O.A.T.
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    Revised list for koolaid drinking Pats fans, top NFL QB's of all time !

    1) Brady
    2) Bledsoe
    3) Grogan
    4) Cassel
    5) Parilli
    6) Flutie
    7) Eason
    8) Hodson
    9) Zolak
    10) Cavanaugh


    There ! You all happy ? And all of the rest of the NFL QB's in the history of the NFL suck ! Or sucked.
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