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    I have no idea what Patriots Gab is, but it cites a yahoo report containing stuff from "people in cassel's camp".

    Anyway...

    Cassel Hoping to Be Traded Sooner Than Later Patriots Gab

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    Re: Cassel Hoping to Be Traded Sooner Than Later

    [edit] my comment's issue was answered in later posts by others so is now non-current
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    Re: Cassel Hoping to Be Traded Sooner Than Later

    Not convinced of the source, but the information makes sense. If I were Cassel, I'd want something long term in case I don't gel as well with the new team next year.
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    Re: Cassel Hoping to Be Traded Sooner Than Later

    Here's the whole thing from Yahoo!, since it's just a small passage in a larger article Quarterbacks face an unsettled landscape - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

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    Re: Cassel Hoping to Be Traded Sooner Than Later

    Actually, they can. In fact, there's absolutely no reason not to.

    As the thread about the legality of tag and trade indicates, the Patriots can trade Cassel and there's is absolutely nothing wrong with it in the least - so why are you suggesting there is a problem with tag and trade?
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    Re: Cassel Hoping to Be Traded Sooner Than Later

    No surprise here.
    Doing this sooner rather than later benefits all involved.
    This way, Cassell participates in all the off-season programs and such.
    It would be nice for him to hit the ground running next season.
    I'm really happy for him.
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    Re: Cassel Hoping to Be Traded Sooner Than Later

    I would guess that Cassel won't be traded until around the Draft (maybe a few days before). If he isn't traded by then, then there may be some concern about Brady or obviously the picks they get won't be until 2010.
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    Re: Cassel Hoping to Be Traded Sooner Than Later

    I believe that any grumblings are to the effect the tag and trade violates the "spirit" of the franchise designation process under the CBA, which is designed to compensate an essential player when an agreement cannot be reached but a team is permitted to hold him for one year at substantial cost.

    The thing about "spirit" arguments - they are easily countered by stating if the NFL wants to prohibit the tactic, it presumably would have put it in writing in the use of the tag and barred player transactions for those tagged. If the practice is unacceptable, make it illegal, don't frown upon it.
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    Re: Cassel Hoping to Be Traded Sooner Than Later

    I agree. It's convenient for us to use this leverage in an obvious trade situation. Though completely legal, nothing is gained for management by stirring up resentment over an issue (franchise tag) many players don't like.
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    Re: Cassel Hoping to Be Traded Sooner Than Later

    I would think nothing will happen until the combine workout days are complete. it's hard to imagine that any team would do something until all the due diligence is complete on the draft class.

    It might be to our benefit if the QB class turns into a collection real dogs.
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    Re: Cassel Hoping to Be Traded Sooner Than Later

    A trade can't happen until 12:01 am February 27th. Obviously a trade can be agreed upon beforehand, but it cannot be executed until then.
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    Re: Cassel Hoping to Be Traded Sooner Than Later

    I agree. It makes perfect sense for him to hope it happens sooner rather than later so that he can get acquainted with the new offense, build rapport with his teammates, etc. That said, while I think we'll treat him fairly, I don't think anything other than the best interests of the team will be considered for when the trigger is pulled on a potential deal.
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    Re: Cassel Hoping to Be Traded Sooner Than Later

    You're right, my bad.
    They already satisfied the 'good faith' requirement, and Cassel is unlikely to file a grievance... so we're in the clear it appears
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    Re: Cassel Hoping to Be Traded Sooner Than Later

    There is no reason to avoid being obvious, there is no restriction against tagging and trading
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    Yeah, I acknowledged that in my last post, it appears we are in the clear.
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    Re: Cassel Hoping to Be Traded Sooner Than Later

    Just like everything else, value is determined by supply and demand. The Pats can obviously only affect the supply side of the equation.

    Their opening statement is that Cassel is elite and they are willing to blow up their salary cap in order to keep him on the roster for 2009. This should discourage any low-ball offers. In fact, the media reports by key sources that they anticipate the Pats are intending to hold onto Cassel also help with this situation.

    If the general perception was clearly that the Pats had to deal Cassel and the deal had to be early to allow FA dealings...well the value for Cassel would be significantly less. I believe the Pats have a number in mind...something like 2nd in 2009 and conditional 2nd in 2010 which becomes a 1st with reasonable playing time. That would be starting at the Schaub number but getting additional value if Cassel doesn't get hurt or totally flop. My reasoning behind this is that I don't believe that 2009 is the year to have an additional later 1st round pick...but the depth of the 2009 class is pretty solid.

    Whatever the Pats are looking for, the impression that you either pay this number (or close) or else they will keep Cassel is just good business. Tagging him early gets the process moving now. The next milestone is the combine. If the QBs there look ordinary or even flawed, the Pats position will be strengthened.
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    Re: Cassel Hoping to Be Traded Sooner Than Later

    Good points. I'd be against a conditional pick though. Cassel's value is quite high right now. Depending upon the team we trade him to, its unlikely he will put up the same #s he did this season. IE, if we - god forbid for poor Cassel - ship him to Detroit...I'd rather force teams into paying a premium, if we can avoid it, I'd hope we'd avoid conditional picks.
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    Re: Cassel Hoping to Be Traded Sooner Than Later

    This is what happened when Matt Schaub was traded in March a couple of years ago. If a team is going to make a play for Cassel you would think they would want their new Franchise QB early in order to get him as ready as they can before the season starts.
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    Re: Cassel Hoping to Be Traded Sooner Than Later

    Assuming the Pats do intend to trade him (and yes, I assume that), the beautiful thing is that it's in everyone's best interest to get it done ASAP. Cassel wants to get settled and learning his new offense. The new team wants certainty about their QB situation...and to get him settled and learning his new offense. And the Pats want their salary cap back before free agency in in their rear-view mirror.

    When all parties' interests coincide, deals usually get done.
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    Re: Cassel Hoping to Be Traded Sooner Than Later

    To play Devil's advocate here--don't the Patriots have two rather mutually exclusive goals here? (A) Have as good a backup QB as possible, (B) have as small a cap hit for Cassel as possible?
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    Re: Cassel Hoping to Be Traded Sooner Than Later

    Carolina is also a possible suitor, a lot of people down here are extremely unhappy with Delhomme after his playoff performance, and want Cassel.
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    Re: Cassel Hoping to Be Traded Sooner Than Later

    That's why I started with that big "if." :) If they actually plan to keep him then there is no timing to consider, everything's done. But if they don't, then faster is better.

    To play devil's advocate against myself, though, if there are multiple suitors then a countervailing force might be to try to take the time to squeeze out the best possible trade compensation. Personally, though, I'd rather just settle for a decent package that can close quickly.
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    It makes sense for all parties involved to not let this drag out too long. Sure, the Pats might want to see teams get in a bidding war and drive up the price, but they also need to figure out what they can and can't do with their cap space, who to extend, who they may want to cut, etc. Though they can plan ahead, they can't finalize anything till the Cassel situation is resolved. They can also make more specific draft plans once they know exactly what draft picks they have.

    For other teams considering to trade for Cassel, at some point they would have to move on and go to Plan B. Once free agency starts other QBs may be signed, leaving those teams with less options.

    And for Cassel, naturally he wants to know where he'll be rather than sitting in limbo. Even though he realizes he's in for a big payday regardless of where he plays, of course he doesn't want the fate of his future to drag out.
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    I don't think anyone is going to wait for the combine. The top QB's probably won't be throwing there.

    If you're one of the teams that's interested, you're probably already trying to work on the contract end of this deal with Cassel's agent(s). My guess is that Matt isn't going to try to squeeze the last dime out of this deal. Getting to a decent organization is probably his first priority. If a team can jump out there and get Matt to say "I really want to play here," it will give that team some leverage in trade talks with the Patriots. If there's a good team out there that thinks they can put a decent contract in front of him, they'd be crazy to wait.
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    Gotta disagree big time here. I think the "anchor" of any Cassel trade is a 2009 first, with a 2009 second/third and/or 2010 conditional pick(s) being tacked on. But IMO there is no way he leaves without them getting immediate first round value in 2009.
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    Makes sense. My point was that if the Pats were looking for a 1st and 2nd as part of the deal, getting the 1st in 2010 and 2nd in 2009 may be a better order than the reverse. The 2009 draft class seems to be deep but not top heavy...meaning there doesn't seem to be 32 players with slam-dunk 1st round grades. Why would the Pats want two picks in this range?

    Obviously the Pats could value this class differently. I was just putting my value system on the deal.
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    Re: Cassel Hoping to Be Traded Sooner Than Later

    I think considering the Tag came on the first day, they are being obvious for obvious reasons.
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    I would agree with this. It's in everyone's best interest. By signing the franchise tender, Cassel essentially allowed the Pats to start shopping him early. He wants to know where he's going to be and start to get to know the players and system. Assuming the Pats are looking to move him for fair value, they will want to move him fast to take the cap hit off the books and be able to move forward. And whoever needs a QB will want to resolve that key issue ASAP.
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    I think that as long as the Pats get something like "fair" value (whatever they deem that to be) they would rather close a deal fast than try to milk more out of it. They haven't been too "picky" in their trades the past 2 years. A lot of people griped that they should have got more from SF for 1(28) 2 years ago, but they ended up with Mayo and Moss out of it. A lot of people griped that they should have got more for their early third than SD's 2nd, which looked like a late 2nd at the time, but they are ending up with a mid-2nd round pick. So it doesn't seem like they are the type to hold up a good deal trying to squeeze out more.
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    Re: Cassel Hoping to Be Traded Sooner Than Later

    I don't know. You try to take into account class depth, etc. and you run the risk of out-thinking the room.

    I think that the Pats would love to have two picks in the low-20s this year, as it gives them ammo to move up into the low-teens for a Mayo/Warren 2009 impact type player, or sit tight and take two guys, likely a Top 3 LB and Top 3 DB.

    And if you have a chance -- in the current year -- to draft Top 3 talent at two positions of need, you don't pass it up.
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