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  1. Gainzo

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    If the argument is that it will hurt the state lottery, that's a horrible argument.

    Leaving aside the question of whether it's accurate, the government shouldn't be curtailing private commercial enterprise because it would hurt the government's own commercial enterprise. That's a very dangerous practice, imo.
     
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    The Lottery argument will occur as MA has the most profitable lottery in the Country, per capita, and it isn't even close. I believe we have over 40 scratch tickets ranging in price from $1 to $20.

    Nothing worse than running into the local convenience store for a soda and waiting 10 minutes as everyone buys/redeems scratch tickets.

    We also have Keno in a lot of bars/convenience stores and the State Lottery is making a push for an online version.

    BTW: The Commonwealth is asking for big bucks (non refundable deposits, % of earnings, etc) so if Casino's do become a reality the Commonwealth will be sitting pretty.
     
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    If it helps the American Indian I'm all for it they could use some love, they seem to have gotten lost in all the "give away sh!t"
     
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    I think the problem is, like with Cape Wind, a big case of NIMBY.

    A lot of people want casinos, they just don't want them next door.
     
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    Build a Casino at Suffolk Downs or Wonderland. Wonderland was shut down awhile ago and Suffolk Downs is barely operating.
     
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    That's not quite the hurdle it used to be since one requirement that's pretty locked in is that the casinos must be attached to a serious ($1/2 Billion) hotel.

    I just hope the strings the state wants to attach won't screw with payouts. I can see the state demanding so much that the house's cut for a Poker hand is greater than the winners:eek: or we'll have the only slot machines in the world with four windows instead of three:eek::eek:
     
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    I know more people who have lost a lot than I do people who have profited from them. But who am I to tell people they cannot gamble so on that note i have no other opinion than to say let them build them but stay away from them if you can.
     
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    I enjoy gambling, but the only casinos I've ever enjoyed are in Vegas. Everywhere else (along with many in Vegas, I'm sure) is just depressing -- a lot of people who seem like they're probably there a lot, betting money they can't really afford to lose.
     
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    I get nausious everytime I step inside a casino. I think they reflect just how sick our country is. To me, Las Vegas is the biggest embaressment in America with it's waste of electricity & water in the middle of a desert.

    The lines we see at convenience stores when a game has a mega-jackpot is just as sad. Just my personal opinion and not a judgement upon individuals.
     
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    so why do you step inside them?
     
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    I'm generally opposed to the state being involved in either the lottery or casinos for pretty much the same reason. Both are siphons of money from the poor to the rich. Casinos are worse because more money is remopved from Massachusetts as they are frequently run by out-of-state entities.

    The lottery moves money from poor communities to rich ones. Because disbursements are made on a per-capita basis to towns, the towns that pump money into the loser pool get less, in balance, of a return. The wealthy towns get the same disbursement without putting in nearly as much into the loseer pool. For instance. Gloucester and Lexington have close to the same population and receive about the same amount of disbursement from the lottery. The net result is rich towns pay less and get the same back. Money moves to them from poor towns.

    Casinos work in the same way, except it is done like a pyramid, where many poor people send their money to a few rich people. They're both (lottery and casinos) intinsicly immoral and the government should not be involved in either. It is a bandaid on a gaping wound. It will not help Massachusetts in the long run and distracts us from the reality that there are no more good jobs while somehow the corporations keep getting richer by outsourcing and stealing from the people.
     
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    Gambling is just like Drugs and Prostitution the people want it if the government won't provide it Organized Crime will, thats America.

    If the government won't provide a system for poor people to gamble the Bookies Will.

    Liberals can't control people from doing what they damn well please and they can't control Mother Nature or human behavior, that drives them insane (liberals insist they know whats best for you)
     
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    You might want to re-think that one, harry. Drugs, prostitution, other vices -- who tends to oppose those the most? Your beloved righties.

    I know you don't like reality to intrude on your fantasyland, but the cons want to control people just as much as your dreaded libruls. They just want to control different things.

    It's why most pubbies who claim to be libertarians are shown to be full of sh*t once it comes to anything other than taxes and (maybe) spending. They still want every law that regulates other citizens' actions, either because some book or guy in a robe tells them it's how it should be, or because it gives them a power trip.
     
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    State lotteries also lie.

    They play up the jackpots, but the small print indicates that the jackpots are much less. It galls me that they are allowed to claim a jackpot of x when x is only available if paid out over 20 years, or some other long period of time. The lump sum payment is usually much less -- and that should be the advertised figure.
     
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    Could be, makes a lot of sense but in the end if the American people want something they will get it and there will always be somebody there to provide it, legal or otherwise.

    One only has to look at The War On Drugs to see what a Joke the law is.
     
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    I didn't question that.

    But your claim re libruls versus cons is simply wrong. No maybes about it. you're blind to the fact that the neo-cons you so love want as much of a nanny state as the libruls, if not more. They just cloak their control in the flag and the bible, because that's what appeals to their base.
     
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    As usual this state can't do anything right. Why 3 casinos? How about just one? I think this is going to be another one of those idea's that "projects" to provide all these jobs and a a giant bonanza of cash, that never materializes. The state is better off building one high end casino, that it is building 3 smaller dumps that push people to drive an extra hour to the MGM at Foxwoods. Just my 2 cents.



    Just got back from Vegas dude. Vegas is certainly an example of american glutony, but boy oh boy is it a good ******* time. :D


    Disbursement is part population, but also part property values of a city or town. The places with lower property values get more money than those with higher property values. So if Glauster and Chelsea have the same pop, Chelsea would get more coin since it has lower property values, which tends to point to it being a poorer community. What the exact formula is I don't know. I just know that those are the two main criteria. What I dislike about the state lottery, or one of the things I don't like, is that it hurts the poor for the most part. Poorer people tend to play in order to hit it rich, which puts them in more of a hole than they are already in. I see it all the time with my tenants, and in the city. I think the lottery is sometimes celebrated when it should instead be studied independently, to properly analyze it's benefits and ramifications.

    You mean the state is disengenuous and outright lies? No way! :D Yeah, it's total BS imo. I love how adults can't gamble, or play poker at home for money, but the state can advertise and sell it's gambling to the poorest of the poor, or anyone with a dollar in their pocket. I can go on and on about the things I don't like about the state monopoly on gambling.

    I agree. Obviously there are going to be the need for laws, rules, and authority, but too many on the right who claim to be for liberty, are truly only supportive of liberty according to their own personal beliefs. For example, the idea that two adults can't do whatever it is they consent to behind closed doors, is beyond me.
     
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    My boss has our annual reviews in Las Vegas, that's why. I've told him I hate the place, but I'm just one person and we have 6 individuals in our group. Besides, he's a gamble-aholic.
     
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    That formula (I don't know what it is, either) may mitigate some of the inequities in the disbursement of the loser pool, but the balance is still coming out in favor of the rich towns. No amount of weighting of property values would off-set the massive disparity of Keno venues in Fitchburg compared to Dover. Another way I know the rich towns are doing better...the Lottery still exists! If the poor towns were getting more of a cut than the rich ones, the Lottery would be banned on "moral" grounds.
     

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