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    Guy is old and banged up but is a huge body and great run stopper. You can't play him every down by any stretch of the imagination but he can occasionally sub in for Wilfork, he can play goal line sets, and he gives you the real opportunity to run him at the nose and Wilfork at DE and run some 34 or 25.

    2-5:
    Chandler - Wilfork - Hampton
    Hightower - Mayo - Spikes - Collins

    3-4:
    Wilfork - Hampton - Deaderick
    Chandler - Hightower - Mayo - Collins

    4-3:
    Chandler - Hampton - Kelly - Ninkovich
    Hightower - Spikes - Mayo
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    Don't see the need as Tommie Kelly and Love are adequate. I WW goes down, he'd be on the top of the list for sure.

    In his prime Hampton was a force.
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    I would rather have Love on the 53 than Hampton.
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    Based on what?

    Neither can rush the passer.
    Hampton is better at stopping the run.
    Hampton offers more position versatility.

    Love is younger and possibly cheaper and maybe that's enough but that's about all there is. On the field Hampton would be superior.

    EDIT:
    Really though this was more an exercise of how to utilize our LBs and recent talk of using more 34.
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    You have your opinion. You think Hampton would be superior. I don't.

    Love has preformed fine in his role. If Belichick wants Hampton instead, I am fine with that. However, I don't think it will happen.

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    If we get an FA Dlineman i much rather have a Abraham at DE And Vince at NT set than a Vince at DE and Casey at NT set
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    Is stopping the run the real issue with this defense? The oversized, brutally slow LB corp has this issue covered......at the expense of pass coverage
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    I wouldn't rule it out if he was affordable. Just smashing pockets.
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    Abraham can not play DE in the 34.

    Honestly I think this would be terrible unless Hightower can play as a 34 OLB (which some said he could coming out of college) or Collins turns out to be the next Aldon Smith. But Abraham would not be how we would make this work.


    The 34 would help negate the slowness of our LBers. Spikes, Hightower and Mayo are all prototypical 34 ILB. Only Mayo is suited to play in a 43 defense.
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    I would hardly call Mayo & Hightower brutally slow. Spikes, yea.

    The problem is that if those two are taken out, you run defense does suffer. The question is can you live with the suffering?

    Thats why Collins, Adrian Wilson and Fletcher are so important if this defense wants to stop getting shredded by the RBs and TEs.
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    Brutally slow....:confused:
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    They are brutal in pass coverage every single one of them.
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    Quoted for truth.
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    Borg doesn't post for any reason other than to make snarky little remarks to aggravate people, there is literally no substance to anything he says. I seriously doubt he even watches football I just think he's one of those people who like to go online and talk crap to see if he can get a rise out of people.
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    Well, no. That just isn't true.
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    He also posts to have brady2moss inflate his "likes received" count
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    if your signing Hampton to move back to the 3-4 who is your 3-4 DE's ? cause Wilfork Hampton and Kelly are all pretty much NT's in a 3-4 at the end of the day 3-4 or 4-3 you would still have the same players on the field they just have to do a better job at getting timely stops
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    We haven't had 3-4 DE's since Seymour and Warren left.

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    Wilfork was used as a de a couple years ago to great success. The problem was that teams just ran to the opposite side because our olbs (tbc, nink and to a lesser degree Cunningham were all garbage against the run.

    Hampton at the nose, wilfork at rde and a platoon of deaderick an Kelly at lde. Kelly played a little 34 de his rookie year and deaderick has shown to be a passable 5tech de as long as he's the worst guy in the front 7.


    We wouldn't have the same players. This would get nink of the field which is a huge bonus and spikes/Hightower would be way more effective. The problem is that it likely negates or limits chandler

    Edit: for the chandler reason the only reason I think it's even remotely possible is because chandler dropped back in some zone blitz plays last year. But then again wilfork has in the past as well.

    In the 43 over belichick tried to use with Shaun Ellis it's pretty much a pseudo 34 anyways.
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    that may work for a few plays on obvious running downs like 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1 but as a base defense you would have no pass rush at all like you said that limits Jones who is pretty much the only true pass rusher on the team
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    Well in theory jones has the ability to be an elephant olb.

    Also depending on Hightower and Collins are on the outside, it could work an even be better... In theory.

    It'd certainly give the offense another thing to game plan for and would hide spikes and hightowers in effectiveness in pass coverage that they experience in the 43 defense.
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    :rolleyes: Jerod Mayo is the best of the bunch and loves to tackle everyone 5-10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage AFTER they have caught the ball. That is all I need to know.
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    What about a 4-3 under with Wilfork and Kelly at DT, Jones on the weak side at DE, Armstead/Deaderick on the strong side at DE, Hightower at SLB, Spikes at MLB, and Mayo at will? If you were trying to accomplish something resembling a 3-4 without taking Jones out of his element, it seems like that may be the way to go.
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    You made a dumb statement. Own it, or move on.
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    Wait so you get to judge what is and isn't a dumb statement? Oh ok then I will say your statement isn't true and that you should own that it was dumb or move on :rolleyes:

    Please tell me what makes them anything but brutal in pass coverage?
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    Mayo is not "brutal" in pass coverage. If you think so, you can own it, and subject yourself to ridicule, or slink away and move on. Your choice.
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    NE against RB and TE in pass coverage were 23 and 29 according to an article posted by a user here. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Why are they so bad against positions typically covered by linebackers? Maybe because the group is brutal in pass coverage like I said.

    Mayo is mediocre at best if you want to feel all fuzzy about his skills, coupled with the fact that he is by far the best one on the team, results in a brutal group of linebackers in pass coverage.

    I'll move on now though because you'll respond with nothing but snarky remarks thinking you are right despite evidence to the contrary.
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    And now you're moving the goalposts, as expected. Shocking!

    Love to see that article. Wanna go ahead and post it?
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    The problem is that some people don't watch football outside the Patriots, haven't watched football outside of the BB-era Patriots, and lack the perspective to understand what "good pass coverage" actually is. Call it the "He got beat once! What a clown!" crowd.

    Did you see Patrick Willis get roasted with his head turned in that Saints-49ers epic for an 80 yard touchdown? Mayo gets beat sometimes and breaks up/defends passes sometimes. That puts him in the "good" category, and in the "very good" category for players with his downhill/sideline to sideline skillset. If you don't think so you probably don't watch enough of other teams games.

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