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    http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/006320.php

    Former President Jimmy Carter, who publicly rebuked President Bush's warrantless eavesdropping program this week during the funeral of Coretta Scott King and at a campaign event, used similar surveillance against suspected spies. "Under the Bush administration, there's been a disgraceful and illegal decision -- we're not going to the let the judges or the Congress or anyone else know that we're spying on the American people," Mr. Carter said Monday in Nevada when his son Jack announced his Senate campaign. ...

    But in 1977, Mr. Carter and his attorney general, Griffin B. Bell, authorized warrantless electronic surveillance used in the conviction of two men for spying on behalf of Vietnam. The men, Truong Dinh Hung and Ronald Louis Humphrey, challenged their espionage convictions to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit, which unanimously ruled that the warrantless searches did not violate the men's rights.

    In its opinion, the court said the executive branch has the "inherent authority" to wiretap enemies such as terror plotters and is excused from obtaining warrants when surveillance is "conducted 'primarily' for foreign intelligence reasons."

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    Not only does Jimmy Carter betray his hypocrisy here, but his Attorney General told Congress when it debated the FISA law in 1978 that FISA would not impede the president from exercising precisely this power under the Constitution. The Times also notes that Jamie Gorelick said much the same thing in 1994. In any case, the appellate court certainly agreed with both Bell and Carter in 1980, even after passage of FISA the year after the surveillance took place.

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    Read the whole thing; it gets worse for senile Jimmah and his braying synchophants.
     
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    Carter is a sneaky little weasle, people like him can never be trusted, they all know what he is they just tolerate him, they also show him respect for the office he held as President something he didn't do for the sitting president. Carter is a lousy little back stabbing rat.
     
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    Did you miss this key ruling from the court in your polemic? I think so...

    In its opinion, the court said the executive branch has the "inherent authority" to wiretap enemies such as terror plotters and is excused from obtaining warrants when surveillance is "conducted 'primarily' for foreign intelligence reasons."

    Bush's actions are not some sleazy Clinton White House deal where FBI records on American citizens are mysteriously 'left' in the White House for months.

    Remember Bush is taping foreign calls and in WARTIME , not that you really care. Scoring points against Bush is far, far more important in your twisted world than the security of the United States of America and its citizens. Sad.
     
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    Clinton did it, Carter did it now it is only a problem when Bush does it. The only weasels I see are the hypocrites on the left, who only moan about things when a Republicans does something.
     
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    #37 Jersey

    You actually have to win an election for that to happen, not very many gay black union members out there to make that happen.
     
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    For the 1st time ever, you're right!

    Bush is defending the country against terrorists while we're under threat of attack.
    Carter was prosecuting a domestic spying case.
    Who knows what Hill & Bill were doing with the hundreds of FBI files on US citizens
     
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    I for one am glad Bush came along to expose a giant sleeper cell in this country, the extreme left wing of the Democrat party, which you happen to belong to. You like seeing Americans killed everyday with your comment that soldiers are war criminals. It is refreshing that we now know who the enemies of America are foreign and domestic. Thank you!
     
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    Dude, chill. You're starting to foam at the mouth.
     
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    there are so many Bush scandals and so many tales of corruption, that none really get the attention they deserve, and they therefore all end up blurring into one another and resulting in basically nothing. The solution is for one or two of them (such as the NSA scandal, where Bush plainly broke the law and over which members of his own party are starting to revolt), but the real impediment for Bush opponents is that there is little coordination and they so often are working at cross-purposes that even the most devastating scandals end up having little or no impact.

    The Democratic egos are all getting in the way.
     
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    HEY PATTERS, Nem the Dem is calling people names he called someone a "piece of Feces" :bricks:
     
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    #75 Jersey

    So many Bush scandals?

    So many falsey reported would be scandals would be a better term.

    How bout that Abramoff scandal, thats a biggy, here let me show you a picture of Bush with Abramoff. He must be guilty of soemthing, but let me show you a money and paper trail of Harry Ried recieving money from Abramoff's clients, and then writing letters and moving Congress to enrich those clients, and thats what?

    The NSA things is completely legal and anyway you want to hash it you are going to lose. Clinton did more domestic spying that anyone and none of it had anything to do with national security. Once again, listening to international calls where one of the parties has known ties to terrorism is the smart thing to do, (and America agrees with it).

    You Democrats should all hit your knees every night and thank God that Al Gore was not able to stuff enough illegal votes into the ballot box in Palm Beach before the authorities arrived. Imagine what would have happened if he was President on 9/11? All the blame placed squarely in one spot, he would have been impeached within a month. Lieberman would have had to name a very conservative Democrat as VP (mabye even a republican), Teddy and Kerry would have been the last two Democrats in the Senate by 2002.
     
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    But.....BUSH BAD!!!!!

    Bush defends this nation from terrorism = Terrorism good, BUSH BAD!!!!!


    YAY AL-QAEDA!!!!

    -The left
     
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    Take what is said at face value, everytime there is a criticism of GWB there is a knee jerk reaction of blaming Clinton, now Harry Reid, Hillary or Kennedy. I do not defend any of the democrats, just posting what is going on right now. Stick with the issues and stop trying to confuse issues. The reality is more and more are coming forth on the right who are very concerned about the violations benig committed by this administration.


    Buts let all get hysterical, throw out a few democratic names and then denigrate the poster.
     
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    It will take three more generations for the liberal far left new democrats to get over the humiliation of GW Bush kicking the Sh!t out of them "TWICE"

    For 5 1/2 years they have been throwing every Smear they can dig up at him he just brushes them off and goes right on mumbling stuttering and grinning.

    GW BUSH will never back down to that WRETCHED UNCLE TEDDY GANG.
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    #37 Jersey

    Go read your Koran, and shut up!
     
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    ALLAH AKBAR BITTTTCHES!!!!!

    -NEM
     
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    The rules do NOT apply to NEM. Sorry!
     
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    #15 Jersey

    Of course all you right-wing bone heads forget that Nixon quit rather than be impeached and his replacement was the incompetent fool Gerald Ford, who did NOTHING for America.

    You wonder how Carter could have been elected? There's you're reason. Bush's legacy will be re-envigorating the left to succeed the corrupt, war-mongering, out-of-touch middle America destroyng right wing scum.
     
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    Two sets of rules, one for them (leftys) one for us (righties).

    Justice And Equality For All (except righties) :bricks:
     

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