Welcome to PatsFans.com

Capitalism - A Love Story

Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by Holy Diver, Oct 6, 2009.

  1. Holy Diver

    Holy Diver Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    10,800
    Likes Received:
    6
    Ratings:
    +6 / 0 / -0

    Have yet to see a discussion on this board about the film. Mrs. Diver and myself went to see it on Saturday.

    Wondered if anyone else saw it yet, or is planning to?

    If you hate the filmmaker, and will never see this movie, please stay away from this thread.

    I know.....I know....

    Michael Moore is a liberal commie....blahblahblah....


    for those who want to see it, or have and wish to discuss it....have AT the thread.
  2. DarrylS

    DarrylS PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    40,315
    Likes Received:
    19
    Ratings:
    +19 / 0 / -0

    All I know is that Matt Drudge had a huge circle jerk on his website, that the revenues for the movie were something like 4.5 million... whatever that means.. of course they showed Moore in a flattering picture...

    With that being said, it is in my Netflix queue.. or however you spell it.
  3. Holy Diver

    Holy Diver Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    10,800
    Likes Received:
    6
    Ratings:
    +6 / 0 / -0



    Was Drudge also boasting that the top grossing fim of the weekend was "Zombieland"



    How appropriate.
  4. DarrylS

    DarrylS PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    40,315
    Likes Received:
    19
    Ratings:
    +19 / 0 / -0

    Not sure what he was pimping, but know who he was denigrating...
  5. Holy Diver

    Holy Diver Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    10,800
    Likes Received:
    6
    Ratings:
    +6 / 0 / -0

    kinda misleading #s as well...

    Weekend Box Office Results for October 2-4, 2009 - Box Office Mojo

    Capitalism opened in 962 theaters. all the other films are in 1,700 - 3,000 theaters. Well below any of the other titles and pulled in $4,623 per. good for a ranking of 4th.

    anyway....

    It might be his best movie yet. Well worth it for FDR's proposal of a 2nd bill of rights, and even crazier to see who actually got those rights, and who gave them to those nations....
  6. BelichickFan

    BelichickFan B.O. = Fugazi PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    31,088
    Likes Received:
    29
    Ratings:
    +37 / 2 / -3

    #24 Jersey

    So did he address all the millions he's made through capitalism ? Is he giving it all back ?
  7. Roland

    Roland Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2008
    Messages:
    265
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    I want to see it. The clips of him with the money bags and wanting to make a citizens arrest seem funny. I respect the guy for trying to bring debate. He has made movies about some great topics and overall he has been mostly right. Needs to take care of himself a bit. Perhaps he could hire Oprah's chef?
  8. Holy Diver

    Holy Diver Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    10,800
    Likes Received:
    6
    Ratings:
    +6 / 0 / -0

    He addressed that stuf fwhen I saw him interviewed, he pays his people and has a product to sell. He isn't anti-capitalism, but really attempts to show where it all started to go out of control. When it became a deregulated destructive dragon...


    so, do you also judge books by covers, Hmmm?


    BF, I suggest you see it. He certainly spends enough time busting Chris Dodd over his hypocrisy in home loans.
  9. BelichickFan

    BelichickFan B.O. = Fugazi PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    31,088
    Likes Received:
    29
    Ratings:
    +37 / 2 / -3

    #24 Jersey

    Nah, I've seen enough pieces of his other "movies" to know what's going on.
  10. Holy Diver

    Holy Diver Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    10,800
    Likes Received:
    6
    Ratings:
    +6 / 0 / -0


    oh word?

    what a fun and ignorant stance!



    so tell me, whats going on?
  11. sdaniels7114

    sdaniels7114 Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2006
    Messages:
    5,742
    Likes Received:
    7
    Ratings:
    +7 / 0 / -0

    I haven't seen it, I will. For now I'll do something real weird for a Michael Moore movie. I won't rate it yet.
  12. PressCoverage

    PressCoverage Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2005
    Messages:
    8,609
    Likes Received:
    13
    Ratings:
    +13 / 0 / -0

    a non-starter, and typical, lazy con man obfuscation from the greater issues you all have no honest argument against.

    if he was poor, he wouldn't be able to make films, and the advocacy would never be distributed... to the joy of pro-corporate drones like yourself.

    get back to threads about perceived reverse racism. it's where you shine.
    Last edited: Oct 6, 2009
  13. alvinnf

    alvinnf Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2008
    Messages:
    3,296
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    Obviously not a fan.... From what I understand it's not getting good early reviews. Is it because you cant take the party line as effectively with this issue?
  14. PressCoverage

    PressCoverage Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2005
    Messages:
    8,609
    Likes Received:
    13
    Ratings:
    +13 / 0 / -0

    It's getting glowing reviews from all reviewers who agree with the premise, and about half of those who don't. It currently has a 73% rating on rottentomatoes.com.

    In other words, 73% of all reviews available have been positive.

    Of course, the typical pro-establishment reviewers ripped it. The same kinds of people who still insist Iraq was about "freeing the Iraqi people" and nothing more.
  15. Holy Diver

    Holy Diver Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    10,800
    Likes Received:
    6
    Ratings:
    +6 / 0 / -0

    interesting percentage to say the least....73....


    hmmmmmm.....


    sounds like the same percentage of people who want a public option at least.


    sounds like the 25(ish) percent of tea-bagging-deather-birther-beckers
  16. alvinnf

    alvinnf Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2008
    Messages:
    3,296
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    Thanks for the enlightenment, I'm surpised the news outlets I watch or the things I read aren't painting it as such a success. What a surprise.
  17. sdaniels7114

    sdaniels7114 Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2006
    Messages:
    5,742
    Likes Received:
    7
    Ratings:
    +7 / 0 / -0

    Even if you hate Moore, you have to respect the cojones required to go down to Wall Street with a bullhorn and crime scene tape and start trying to arrest stockbrokers.
  18. maverick4

    maverick4 Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2005
    Messages:
    7,669
    Likes Received:
    16
    Ratings:
    +16 / 0 / -0

    Haven't seen it (yet) but what I heard that was interesting was that he started making this movie 3 years BEFORE the financial crisis last year.
  19. PatriotsReign

    PatriotsReign Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2007
    Messages:
    24,998
    Likes Received:
    32
    Ratings:
    +37 / 0 / -7

    I'm going to see it...so I'll wait to comment. I'm looking forward to it.
  20. PatriotsReign

    PatriotsReign Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2007
    Messages:
    24,998
    Likes Received:
    32
    Ratings:
    +37 / 0 / -7

    I think that's the story our gov't has been trying to sell, but I don't think many americans are buying it. Who can honestly believe that "Iraq = Oil" wasn't the reason?
  21. PressCoverage

    PressCoverage Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2005
    Messages:
    8,609
    Likes Received:
    13
    Ratings:
    +13 / 0 / -0

    Please... I encounter those kinds of people every single day. It's a ratio that holds true at around 1 in 4 -- similar to the percentage of people who thought George Bush was doing a good job.
  22. PatriotsReign

    PatriotsReign Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2007
    Messages:
    24,998
    Likes Received:
    32
    Ratings:
    +37 / 0 / -7

    The only way "Freeing the Iraqi people" will hold water is if 5-10 years from now Iraq evolves into a stable nation with a stable gov't. If that happened, then (maybe) the Iraqi people would feel they were in fact liberated.

    But that would have to come from the Iraqi people, not US citizens. Lastly, if that did happen, then no one in the US could say it wasn't a wortwhile war....EVEN if it was for oil.
  23. sdaniels7114

    sdaniels7114 Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2006
    Messages:
    5,742
    Likes Received:
    7
    Ratings:
    +7 / 0 / -0

    Well then why not Canada or Venezuela? Both those countries got plenty of oil and they're far, far closer. And why conquer a country and get your soldiers killed and p/o the locals when you can just buy the oil from them? One thing Saddam never, ever did was refuse to sell his oil.
  24. Wildo7

    Wildo7 Totally Full of It

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2007
    Messages:
    8,845
    Likes Received:
    28
    Ratings:
    +32 / 2 / -0

    PR, I disagree here. The human cost of the war has been to great to justify no matter what. As much of a monster as Saddam was that country was "stable" before we invaded.
  25. PressCoverage

    PressCoverage Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2005
    Messages:
    8,609
    Likes Received:
    13
    Ratings:
    +13 / 0 / -0

    You're preaching to the choir here. All I said was there are plenty of people who still believe that hollow premise.
  26. maverick4

    maverick4 Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2005
    Messages:
    7,669
    Likes Received:
    16
    Ratings:
    +16 / 0 / -0


    The whole thing is a shame either way.

    Iran used to be super pro-Western, US-loving, with a democracy 50 years ago. WE toppled their government because we didn't like their leader. Now they hate us. I wonder why.

    'Spread freedom', my arse.
  27. ntvinh986

    ntvinh986 Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2009
    Messages:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    Thanks you for the post.
  28. Snake Eyes

    Snake Eyes Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2007
    Messages:
    4,823
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +11 / 0 / -1

    The beginning of wisdom is the definition of terms. If Moore wants to bash "Capitalism" he shuold explain to us exactly what Capitalism is and why it's bad. The collusion of business and government that he bashes would more accurately be titled "fascism", which capitalism is not.
  29. Wildo7

    Wildo7 Totally Full of It

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2007
    Messages:
    8,845
    Likes Received:
    28
    Ratings:
    +32 / 2 / -0

    I totally agree with this though I have not yet seen the film. I'm assuming that Moore criticizes aspects of our system of capitalism, but many apologists for the "fascism" you see think the only alternative is Soviet style totalitarian communism. The fact is that most systems today are some kind of hybrid that's not easily defined under one moniker. If you asked Americans what system Sweden is they would say socialist, if you asked the Swedish they would say capitalist. Everything is a mix of the two so the silly labels are really just irrelevant emotional tools used to rile up one side or the other of a given debate through negative connotation.

    One thing we should all agree on though is that totally unrestricted capitalism is a bad thing, and ultimately leads to fascism. But the business leaders in America seem to have purged this discovery in the early 1900s from our collective consciousness and convinced Americans that this is the ideal we should seek and anything else is communism.
  30. Snake Eyes

    Snake Eyes Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2007
    Messages:
    4,823
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +11 / 0 / -1

    I totally agree with this though I have not yet seen the film. I'm assuming that Moore criticizes aspects of our system of capitalism, but many apologists for the "fascism" you see think the only alternative is Soviet style totalitarian communism. The fact is that most systems today are some kind of hybrid that's not easily defined under one moniker. If you asked Americans what system Sweden is they would say socialist, if you asked the Swedish they would say capitalist. Everything is a mix of the two so the silly labels are really just irrelevant emotional tools used to rile up one side or the other of a given debate through negative connotation.

    One thing we should all agree on though is that totally unrestricted capitalism is a bad thing, and ultimately leads to fascism. But the business leaders in America seem to have purged this discovery in the early 1900s from our collective consciousness and convinced Americans that this is the ideal we should seek and anything else is communism.


    I would agree that there is no such thing as "pure" capitalism, so long as a government consumes any resources it will have an effect on the market, making it a tad socialist, and even in the worker's paradise of the USSR the black market existed, which the government used from time to time. There are matters of degree by which one can judge the governments, to what extent they interfere with production of goods and services.

    Also, it's a myth that the early 1900s and their "robber barons" were a result of unrestrained capitalism, yet again it was a result of collusion between government and business. If you're interested in this topic you should check out how the SCOTUS decided the 14th Amendment protected corporations.

Share This Page