Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by MoLewisrocks, Apr 23, 2009.
Has us with $4.67M under the cap.
ProFootballTalk.com - Salary Cap Space As Of April 22
more then enough to sign pep!
Not even close... But just about enough to sign the rookies, players 52 and 53, and cover in season injury replacements.
Wow sunshine follows you around from thread to thread dont it lol.
Dolphins, Jets, Bills, have lots of CAP space. Colts, Titans and Chargers, are comfortable but pretty much constrained to a player addition or two. Steelers and Ravens are up tight against the CAP, and will have to make some player cuts for the season.
We are comfortable for the season. But I don't see any CAP room for Jason Taylor.
It looks like Harrison's payday has seriously hampered the Steelers. They may need to start auctioning off assets.
Again, if the Pats really wanted to free up cap room, there is enough room. As for the rookies, the entire remaining cap room would not go to them. The addition of rookies would mean players who already count towards the cap would not. My guess is that only $2-3 million of that cap space will go to rookies. Depending on what the Pats do on draft day, it could be less.
How the hell did the iggles come up with so much cap room, wow.
Here is the list storted by team.
The avg per team is $13,789,000, the median is $11,285,000.
1 Philadelphia Eagles $37,440,000
2 Tampa Bay Buccaneers $35,540,000
3 Kansas City Chiefs $32,300,000
4 Green Bay Packers $27,890,000
5 San Francisco 49ers $26,110,000
6 Atlanta Falcons $23,670,000
7 Chicago Bears $20,960,000
8 Cleveland Browns $20,270,000
9 Minnesota Vikings $17,320,000
10 Jacksonville Jaguars $16,940,000
11 Denver Broncos $16,300,000
12 Cincinnati Bengals $16,260,000
13 Miami Dolphins $13,190,000
14 Tennessee Titans $13,050,000
15 New York Jets $12,620,000
16 Buffalo Bills $11,820,000
17 Houston Texans $10,750,000
18 Detroit Lions $10,720,000
19 St. Louis Rams $10,670,000
20 Dallas Cowboys $10,350,000
21 Oakland Raiders $9,330,000
22 San Diego Chargers $8,560,000
23 Seattle Seahawks $7,410,000
24 Indianapolis Colts $7,100,000
25 Washington Redskins $5,960,000
26 New England Patriots $4,670,000
27 New York Giants $4,370,000
28 New Orleans Saints $4,290,000
29 Carolina Panthers $2,690,000
30 Arizona Cardinals $1,290,000
31 Baltimore Ravens $968,000
32 Pittsburgh Steelers $440,000
I don't recall the exact number for 2009, but it looks like there are a lot of teams that still have a fair amount of spending to do before they hit that minimum spending level.
Maybe, Peppers will sign for the minimum salary?
The Practice Squad players also need to be included.
You mean Pepper Johnson? Because $4 mil is barely enough to sign the rookies.
Ok, let's play. You say that the rookies will cost a net of only $2-3M; let's use $2.5M. That leaves $2.2M for
1) Player 52 and Player 53 which are not now counted,
2) Replacing anyone who is put on IR during camp (there are always a couple),
3) the 8 Practice Squad players, and
4) an injury fund for in-season replacements of injured players
Even with no significant additions, a significant costing player or two will need to be restuctured or cut. That is not a big issue. That is the norm. However, there is not much extra cap room available.
all the good teams spent their money already
Re: Cap Arithmetic
It looks like some players are primed to be cut. Especially if players are drafted high at the same position. Top cut cap savings per Miguel:
Matt Light - $3,790,000
Richard Seymour - $3,331,720
Kevin Faulk - $2,939,440
Ellis Hobbs, III - $2,250,000
That Faulk number would be the most tempting to me if I had to do it. Not that I want to.
Re: Cap Arithmetic
Don't forget Jarvis Green.
Re: Cap Arithmetic
None of those players are getting cut.
Re: Cap Arithmetic
I agree. Restructures or extensions of Light and/or Faulk are likely to be considered.
The Eagles were extremely close to making the Super Bowl last year, and to the extent they got worse in the off-season, nearly $40 million can make up all of that ground and then much more.
The number that's compelling to me is the Arizona Cardinals' number. They have to do something, and other than trading Boldin I just don't see what their options are. And the Eagles have plenty to sign him to an extension, plus he fills a need that will make them great. I don't see how Arizona can come out of the post-draft period with that little money. One of those interesting little side stories to watch -- but I bet the Cards will ultimately send him to Philly, and, in the process, make another NFC team a major force to be reckoned with. Such is the cap.
steelers $440k is like 20 bucks in nfl currency
does anyone know why the discrepancy is so wide -- i.e. do teams with more cap space spend less on 'big name' contracts, do they have a weaker 'middle class', etc....
The funny thing with Arizona is that at the start of free agency everybody was talking about how they had more money to spend under the cap than any other NFL team. That was a deceiving statistic because they also had the least number of players signed in the NFL at that point in time.
I don't think trading Boldin will do much for their cap number since the whole reason he wants to be traded is his low salary, which results in a low cap number. I found this Cardinal fan forum and they show Boldin's number to be $3.75 million. The name and number that stands out is Edgerrin James, at $6.75 million; for some reason I was under the impression he had already been released.
Don't teams get a rookie allocation of extra cap space, to sign their rookies?
As I remember it, more draft picks = more money alloted to you. This is to keep teams with lots of picks from having to cut veterans to afford rookies.
This is handed out after the draft and it also would mean that we can spend all of that cap space left on veterans.
Am I completely remembering this wrong or what?
I was under the impression that teams were allocated a certain amount based on the specific slots in the draft as well. However, after reading this (near the bottom) from Miguel's cap page, it reads to me that there is not any additional room under the cap for having those extra draft picks.
The key number is Carolina is only under by less than 3 million. How can they possibly afford Peppers' 17 million dollar tag? They have to trade him because he doesn't want a long term deal. This is the only way Carolina can fit him in under the cap by spreading out his salary.
*update* Carolina foolishly throws money at Jake (I throw 5 passes to the other team) Delhomme in order to swallow Peppers' franchise tag. This is something I didn't want to see before the draft.
If a number of rookies make the team, isn't that a substantial savings due to those players that are cut, or is that already taken into account when we say so much money for the rookies? Or is it too hard to say as it depends on which players are cut?
All depends on their cap numbers, or more specifically how much of a signing bonus that is still on the books and gets accelerated on to this year's cap.
Player X and Player Y both sign 2-year $4 million contracts in 2008.
Player X signs for $1 per year, with a $4 million signing bonus. Cut him and he's still going to count $2 million against the '09 cap.
Player Y signs with no signing bonus and a $2 million per year salary. Cut him and $2 million of cap space (minus whatever the rookie who takes his place makes) is cleared.
I know that's extreme, unrealistic, and below minimum salary levels, but you get the idea.
The rookie pool is just a cap within the cap. If a team has $10M in cap room the number of draft picks they draft doesn't increase or decrease that. The league assigns a figure to each team POST DRAFT based on the number of picks they made (not had) and adjusted for the rounds in which those picks occurred. That number becomes the most money from your overall cap that can be spent on signing all of your rookies (ergo the cap within a cap). Some teams who draft a top tier player like a QB may have trouble getting all of their picks signed if they expend too much on that top guy...
AdamJT13: The rookie pool and the salary cap
may be helpful
I really wonder why Philly with all that cap money and with interest in Peppers is not offering Carolina the #21 and #28 picks for a disgruntled player or trading with Arizona for Boldin for the same reason?
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