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  1. cstjohn17

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    Tis the season, any last second cuts by the Pats?

    Vrabel would be a shock but in this economy no one is safe. Deep year OLB in the draft hurts as well.

    Faulk could be released as well.

    That would clear up $6-$7 M but man would it suck.
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    Do we need to be under the cap right now, or is their a deadline to be?

    For instance: We sign like mad to the tune of 10's of millions, and then whittle away the bulk of it to be under by the deadline?

    Miguel or any that know?
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    If we trade Cassel for draft picks we dont have to cut people to make cap room.
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    I read we have to be under the cap by midnight (we are) but it's calculated based on the 35 highest salaries on the team or some number like that?
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    After I posted I did a little research. You're right about midnight.

    What time is the Cassel trade going to be announced?
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    Well, that's when I'm going to bed, anyway. They better get that crap done for me...

    Really, though I think it's going to happen very quickly.
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    Faulk could end up being a casualty, as releasing him would save $3.5M according to Adam Schefter.

    However, one would think the Patriots would work out a new contract with him to deal with that, as he is still a valuable role player.

    That said, I think people take the reports of cap room too seriously. Granted, the Pats have less room than pretty much everyone because they are playing top QB money to two guys. However, if there was a room that they really wanted to make, the cap wouldn't stop them. They could restructure deals or cut a guy or something to make the room. The cap wouldn't be an issue to making a deal.
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    I never thought I'd say this before this last year or two, if it's between Faulk and Vrabel give me Faulk. Vrabel has all but disappeared since the 07 game in Pittsburgh.
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    Agreed. Faulk was awesome last year.

    Personally, I'd rather see Bru hang 'em up and move a recovered Vrabes inside, though. He was playing with a frigged up shoulder last year.
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    51 instead of 53.

    In any case, Vrabel is, per Miguel, owed $1M tomorrow morning, so if they want to cut him--which is doubtful--they'd have to do it tonight. Faulk they might well just restructure to reduce his cap hit by $1-2M.
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    Thanks. I was reaching into the memory banks for something I glossed over.

    Are we allowed to aiming for 80 guys again at midnight as well?
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    yah a good point. i wonder if we trade him tonight. id be surprised
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    For all intents and purposes, it's been at 80 since the season ended.
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    Ah, ok. Thanks.
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    i cant see us cutting faulk, but i can see a restructuring. vrabel, i can see him being cut. espcially if we pick up peppers for cassel. wed have a lot of LBs and he is way too expensive
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    According to Tom Marino if these players are cut or left to go FA we free up $16,647,000, not including a Cassel trade.

    Harrison, Rodney DB 14 3,732,500 Colvin, Rosevelt LB 9 1,932,500 Wright, Mike DE 3 1,422,500 Gaffney, Jabar WR 6 1,282,000 Sanders, James DS 3 1,026,000 O'Neal, Deltha DC 8 1,000,000 Hochstein, Russ OG 7 890,000 Paxton, Lonie LS 8 884,000 Evans, Heath RB 7 856,000 Jordan, LaMont RB 7 850,000 Hanson, Chris PT 7 761,500 Izzo, Larry LB 12 490,000 Sanders, Lewis DC 8 489,500 Williams, Tank DB 6 276,500 Smith, Kenny DT 5 274,000 Seau, Junior LB 18 250,000 Stokes, Barry OT 9 230,000

    I do not know if this is true.
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    It is not; see the spending limit thread. In fact, it's one of the dumbest things I've read in a while. Not sure what Tom Marino is thinking.
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    I don't see Vrabel being cut especially since work was he was playing all last year with an injury. I think Bruschi would be pressured into retiring before Vrabel was cut. Bruschi was less productive than Vrabel last year and would save about $2 million.

    Jarvis Green could be another cap casualty or traded player. He is a solid back up, but he is also the sixth largest cap hit if you don't count Cassel. That may be too much for a back up. If the Pats resign Wright, I think Green will be gone. Could be part of a trade to Carolina if the rumors of the Pats going after Peppers is true.

    Nick Kuzcur could be another cut. He is basically a JAG RT and could free up a little over $1 million.

    Other moves they can do is convert Brady's ($3 million) roster bonus into a signing bonus to spread it out over the remainder of his contract or give extentions to Vrabel, Faulk, and a few others who are likely to finish their careers as Patriots to lower their cap.
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    Creating a need at RT, one which will be filled for a player who will be paid...a little over $1 million.

    And Bruschi's cap savings would be less if he retires, since the Pats aren't going to ask for his signing bonus money back.
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    A RT can be replaced in the draft pretty easily. Look at the calvacade of RTs the Pats had during their Super Bowl run. They had a different starting RT in all four Super Bowl seasons. The Pats won Super Bowls with Greg Randall, Tom Ashworth, and Brandon Gorin as their starting RT. You can replace the RT position without tying up over $1 million. They could plug in a fourth or fifth round pick from this season and potentially get more production than Kazcur. It will cost far less than $1 million to sign a fourth rounder.
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    I'm far from confident that the Pats could "coach up" a rookie 4th round tackle to be Superbowl quality ready in 1 season. That's being way too optimistic.
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    If you believe this you must also be ok with the idea of dumping Light's sorry a$s for an upgrade this year as well.
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    Matt Light was a rookie LT in the 2001 Super Bowl. In 2006, Kazcur was a rookie starting RT on a team that was 1 minute from the Super Bowl and he was a very low third round pick. Dan Koppen was a 5th rounder rookie starter on the 2003 Super Bowl team and center is arguably a tougher position for a rookie because he calls the line assignments.

    O-line, especially RT, is one of the easiest area for a rookie to come in and contribute immediately and have a lower round pick be an impact player. It is definitely not being way too optimistic to think the Pats can get a middle round rookie or a journeyman veteran minimum young player off of someone's practice squad or undrafted free agent (see Brandon Gorin and Tom Ashworth) to plug into that position. Gorin was a seventh round pick by the Chargers. Ashworth was an undrafted free agent.
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    Light is one of the most underrated players on this team. He is an above average LT. He is not elite, but he is better than at least half of the LT out there, probably 2/3.
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    Odd, I'd have said the same thing about Kaczur. :rolleyes:
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    Matt Light was a first day pick. The Pats expect their early picks to be able to contribute early so he's a bad example. The Pats RTs have not been very impressive over the years either, I'd call them serviceable rather than good. But how much money are we saving by cutting Kaczur? It better be a sizeable savings or it's just not worth it. I"m not saying that the Pats won't draft developmental OL on the second day but to expect them to be starters their first year is overoptimistic. Our goal is to keep Tom Brady upright, not have him protected on one side by a FOTB rookie.
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    If our goal is to keep Brady upright, improving the RT position should be a top priority. Kazcur is the weak link on the o-line and got Cassel killed plenty of times last year. Personally, I think he is easily upgraded for cheap money. If Ryan O'Callahan didn't fall apart himself, Kazcur might not have even made it out of training camp last year.

    The Pats might use a third rounder for a RT upgrade or even a second. Who knows. But the Pats went into the 2003 season with a fifth round draft pick rookie starting at the second most important position on the o-line. Why is it so hard to believe they wouldn't go into the season with a rookie at RT.

    Besides, with the money saved, the Pats can sign 2-3 veteran minimum guys to one year contracts. The Pats can find a journeyman who can be an upgrade over Kazcur (again, see Ashworth and I will see you Joe Andruzzi and Mike Compton although they were guards). The Pats have been plugging and playing the o-line for years especially at RT.
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