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  1. carolinatony

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    Or will he ask for too much money? Do we let him walk and draft another CB or franchise him? Glad I don't have to make these decisions.
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    The problem with franchising him is that he might not and probably will not be happy about that...
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    If we let him walk, we'll see him twice a year for the Jets. Franchise him and trade him if he doesn't like it. I do think they will make a serious effort to sign him if he's reasonable.
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    I would franchaise him, I don't wanna sign him long term with a big bonus just pay him for next year and go from there.
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    I say franchise him too. 1. I worry that if he gets the big long term contract he might be one of those that gets soft. 2. See what you have in Hobbs. Is he a potential #1 corner, next year will be his 3rd and should give a good indication. 3. I am one who doesn't care if they get mad as long as they don't hold out.
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    Hobbs a #1 corner? I think he's a #2 on his best day and a nickel caliber guy most of the time.
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    That's garbage. He's hung with the best in the game, has 10 INT's this year and has made some of the best plays I've seen by a Pats DB in years. He's legit.
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    he's talking about hobbs not samuel.
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    Sorry, my mistake. I had Samuel on my brain I guess.


    Hobss has potential and seems to have a good work ethic. Samuel wasn't this good before, either. I remember a young Ty Law getting toasted regularly...
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    Hmm, I think the only way we keep him is to franchise him. Not only do the Jets have a lot of cash, a number of teams do, so the Jets is not a guarantee.

    Seeing as though we need help in the secondary, I don't see how we let him walk.
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    Looks like 1st round corner could be a need next year.
    I think the Pats will try to keep Asante around as well whether by contract or franchise tag.
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    This is a real tough one...It may ne that Samuel will be reasonable after this incredible season and..they will resign..BUT one never knows when dollar signs are IG!!! HOPING that it will be worked out..BUT after the Branch fiasco and totally misreading him..he could be gone!!
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    This has been talked about before. I dont like bringing up off season stuff until the middle of February, when our season is over:D

    I still would like a complete breakdown on Asante's #'s over the last two years. I really dont have the time to do it myself, and Im lazy. Can anyone help here? Complete stats. #of pass plays in, # thrown at, # of defensed, # of pics, # of completions. YAC against, etc.
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    Oh! I almost forgot, how those #'s rank in the league. The way I see it, if he ranks 1-8 we sign him. 8-16, we transitional tag him, and lower than 16 he walks.
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    If he plays like a shutdown corner like Champ Bailey against stud Colts WRs Harrison or Wayne, the Pats may exert all efforts to resign him, such as, treating him like Brady and Seymour. At the very least, the Pats could franchise and trade him. KC would really want to get Samuel. Imagine Ty Law and Samuel as CBs. Peyton could be having nightmares. Go Pats.:rocker:
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    It seems unlikely they can sign him to a long term deal.

    On Felger's online chat yesterday (in which, incidentally, he admitted that BB/SP had made clowns of the NE media, himself included, by winning again with a team "weakened" by their approach to FA and salary cap management) he said that Samuel wanted his money "in the worst way", implicitly suggesting he would be looking for top 5 corner money.

    In those circumstances I think they should sign up Graham to a deal and slap the tag on Asante, and then look to offload him for a pick in 2008 or in a trade. That way they can keep him out of the division and get something out of it.

    Otherwise he'll walk walk away and likely end up with Mangini.
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    #12 Jersey

    i was sceptic about Asante till this season started but i have to admit that after what he showed this year i changed opinion; we should try to re-sign him but it will be very tough

    probably he is gone and someone (Jets ?) will offer him ton of money

    but let's see...

    anyway what a season and i hope he has not yet finished...
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    The Jests have all but said publicly that they plan to take Asante this year. Not that they're trying to tamper again or anything!:mad:

    Like I said in my posts last night, The Pats will break it down like I wish someone here would do.....

    They will then sign him to a top 5 kinda deal if he breaks down as a top 8 corner. Dont forget, Top 5 money isn't what it used to be with the funny money out there this year. He will stay for a same ballpark contract if the up front money is there. Why leave to obscurity for just a few dollars?

    If he shakes out as a #9 to #16 corner, he's gonna get tagged, to get compensation and the team will have some control where he goes.

    If he doesnt shake out in the top 16, the team will offer him an ok kinda deal and let him walk.
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    He might be unhappy, but in one year he would earn substantially more than he has earned during his entire lifetime, and he would be a free agent the next year. Besides, he can't afford to sit at home, this will be hist first big pay day, and any contract he gets in 2008 will be based on his play in 2007.

    I think that the Patriots should put a non-exclusive franchise tag on him. With so few corners on the market, there might actually be a team out there that is willing to part with the TWO first round draft picks it would take to sign him. If not, we get him for one year for less than $8M.
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    Why not franchise him and then trade him??
    Say.. trade him to the Lions,Viking,Arizona,Texans.. for any pick!
    We get something and he goes to a bad team!
    Can we do this?
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    Transitional tag is the way to go, if he washes in at 9-16. Contrary to popular belief the Pats will pay for an elite. Maybe not quite what he could get elsewhere, but close. And for less than 500k/year as long as the up front money is there, why would he leave? But I dont think he will come in at the top 8. So tag him, control where he goes, and get something for him.
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    Not looking good...it's starting to head down the Law/Vinatieri/Branch/Milloy road...

    From Pro Football Weekly...
    http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/Features/They+Said+It/2006/said+011707.htm



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    Transition tag is an IDIOTIC way to go. If we don't match the transition offer, we lose Asante's services without any compensation. Worse, they're now allowed to include poison pills in a transition offer (like: you get a $10M bonus each season that you play seven or more games in New England).

    If we're willing to let Asante Samuel test out the market like that, then there's no point in taging him at all. That way we save the tag, and we have a better chance at reaching a long term deal with him (since he won't like the tag).
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    hmmmm. I must have been mistaken to think that. I thought that if we didn't match, we got compensation based on the tender offer. And over 2.5 mil, its a first and third rounder. My bad. Also, I thought poison pills were eliminated after last season.....
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    Hmm, I'll have to research the no compensation thing. The bengals used the transition tag on Takeo Spikes, but I thought they got a compensation pick.

    As for Samuel, the more I look at this the more I think they need to franchise him if they can't come to an agreement. Lots of teams are apparently salivating over the chance to sign him.

    His situation is far different than Givens, CBs of his caliber are harder to come by and are paid accordingly. Guys like Givens can be found late in the draft, obviously, but they can also be found on the street like Gaffney. It takes a while to develop CBs and replacements are much more difficult to find. look at the pats the past couple of years and what we were signing with all of our DB injuries.

    Smart money says we franchise him. I'd be shocked if it's otherwise, he is just too valuable an asset to let walk.

    *I just checked and found out that there IS compensation for losing a transition tagged player. The Bengals received a compensation pick at the end of the 3rd round in 2004 for losing Takeo Spikes (The got #96 and used it on Landon Johnson LB Purdue, it was #96 because the Texans forfeited #33, they used it the year before to draft RB Tony Hollins in the supplemental draft)
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    You get the compensatory pick whether you tag a player or not.

    In fact, the Patriots are likely to get some good compensatory picks in THIS year's draft (even though we didn't tag anybody last year). The best that you can get is at the end of the third round, and I am hoping that we get something like one each at the end of rounds 3,4 and 6.

    Unfortunately, neither McGinest nor Givens had great seasons, and the committee has never awarded a high pick for a kicker (obviously I hope that Adam is the first).

    I'm not sure if teams who receive compensatory draft picks from other teams (for restricted and franchise players) are also eligible for compensatory picks from the league for those same players. Perhaps somebody else knows this?

    BTW, I am sorry for using the word idiotic
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    I think the upcoming game will have a huge say in whether we can sign Asante or not. Since he'll line up opposite of Marvin for most of the game, he'll have a huge task in front of him. If he thinks he's worth top 5 CB money, here's his chance to prove it.
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    Sadly, this is only for restricted free agents (after three years). Asante has four years under his belt and is unrestricted.

    If he leaves other than through a trade, or as a non-exclusive franchise player, we would (at best) receive compensatory draft picks.
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    I'm resigned to the fact he isn't coming back. When he signs with someone else it will be time to move on. He'll be motivated for thr colts tho

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