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  1. RoughingthePasser

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    I hate to be a pessimist but I need to vent.

    We have big problems and we've made some horrible decisions with personnel-specifically in the secondary. We've opted for quicker players...but it seems they lack the aggressiveness of (last 10 yrs)-Otis Smith Tebucky Jones, Ty Law, Wilson, Samuels etc....etc......list goes on

    I'm really disappointed and angry at the Bodden move. That was stupid.

    I'm not a coach and I don't see the practices daily either-so I don't know what's best for the team to win.

    Buffalo looks great right now....

    Love BB but...

    Bumble B. is not a good DB coach.

    Who did he have come in to help a couple of yrs. ago? Dom Capers?

    We drafted :

    1.Butler CB (2nd round)-gone.
    2.Merriweather S (1st)-gone!
    3.Wilhite CB (4th)-gone
    4. Wheatley CB (2nd)-gone
    5.McGowan S (CHI)-gone
    6. Sanders S -gone!
    7. Bodden (DET(- gone!
    8. McCourty CB (1)- ACTIVE
    9. Dowling CB (Top 2nd)- OUT
    10. Chung S (2nd)- ACTIVE (gotta stay healthy or we're done!)

    The issue is developing our DB's...better coaching.
    Bill needs help

    Not to mention all the drafted/undrafted linebackers...Crable, Woods,Alexander and all the other....Adalius ...Burgess etc etcThomas and even further back to Beisel and Chad Brown
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    Not with the talent we have. We can patch it up here and there..But Mccourty sucks this year...moldin? LOL
  3. RoughingthePasser

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    and a ZERO pass rush!
  4. RoughingthePasser

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    Its great to have Mayo back but we've got to rush Spikes more. I think we need to take more chances on defense as far as pressure and get Ochocinco and Tate into the game! Why isnt Tate returning kicks?
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    Mcourty regaining last years form would be a start.
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    Its got to happen soon.
    Im w/ you.
    Last yr wasnt a fluke and I like Arrington as long as he stays physical and fast.....STeams too...
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    Work on applying the pressure they worked on during the preseason game vs the Bucs and the secondary will not be an issue too much. We will definite see that defense again very shortly.
    Spikes as Mike and Mayo as the Will. That is all they really practiced during open training camp. Injuries and other situations has set this back, but in due time, in due time.
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    It's sad too, because the D's plans were dependent upon him being an island. If he was as good as they thought he'd be, they'd probably have a mediocre defense instead of a piss-poor one.
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    agree 120%
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    Tate isn't returning kicks because he hasn't been on the team for over two months.

    In terms of fixing things, though. I'll assume fix means make it robust and upper eschelom. In that regard, no, but one could likely jerry rig that sumbeech enough to get you home. They need to mix in different coverages to put what assets they do have in place to make plays. Ah hell, I'm geeking out. I'm gonna make a thread.
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    the thing is, with as many yards as we give up, we still are middle of the pack in points allowed...for as much as the steelers outplayed us it was only a 1score game

    and a large part of that is because we have a pretty good redzone Defense that limits our opponents to 3pts or a turnover instead of 7

    you cant fix this defense, it is what it is. but you can improve on areas to ensure that this team has the best chance to win it. when you look at it, the steelers game was about 2 possessions. 3rd and 15 and 3rd and 12...the patriots get a stop on those both, that gives brady 2 more possessions to put points on the board.

    things like missed assignments/poor tackling are things that can be coached and fixed. we need to put a focus on better tackling/coverage and getting off the field when you have a 3rd down.

    thats how they beat the cowboys...romo passed for over 300+yards....but the Pats D got off the field on 3rd downs when they had to

    I hope all the criticism that they are getting from other teams/the media is a wakeup call to this defense and they can respond accordingly from here on out
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    It would seem difficult for Tate to return kicks in Foxborough since he plays for the Bengals.
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    You did mean Taylor Price, right..right.. (hint, hint giving you an out)
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    the same reason bodden and meriweather aren't in coverage
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    can they fix it no not with the players they have but they can hide it if they can get the pass rush going.... and im not talking about a few sacks here and there by carter im talking about hitting the QB ever time he drops back to pass
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    Good question !

    On the same subject why aren't we running Correy Dillon more. Also when was the last time that bum Bruschi got a sack ? Cut his ass BB :eek:
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    lol...i forgot...think i meant Price
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    Gotta get a pass rush...the Steelers looked great and you better believe the NYG will be ready.
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    Better question is why isn't Elderman returning kicks (he was a healthy scratch)
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    Any defense that can stop the run can be fixed.

    Especially when you play as well in the red zone as we have.
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    does this defense look even slower than last year?
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    The weakness of the New York Giants defense as far as running the ball at them is to do it right behind the center and left guard, I truly believe we see more Ridley and perhaps Vereen get some carries in Power sets. If we have a formation of Price at left flank, Welker in the backfield with a back in front of him, fake the hand off to welker and hit ridley on the screen Price is a excellent blocker, with the Gronk brothers leading the way, on the blocks that could be a little wrinkle we use to take advantage of the Giants who shoot the gaps, and may catch them unprepared with some trickery.

    As far as Passing the Ball keeping Brady in the shotgun will get Brady killed out there, We need to have playaction work to move the ball against this defense their secondary worries me only slightly, we need really work the screen game, but not mid range 8 to 10 yd passes their highly athletic linebackers will be ready for this if we can not run the ball they will be sitting on this all day.
    Hitting them deep off of playaction is definitely the best way to attack this New York defense in the air, Price can get deep as well as Ocho to and extent we need to get these guys some chances to get behind rolle, and Phillips, They match up well against Gronk so I see him as a blocker more than a receiver this game, throw in a hobbled Hernandez playing around 80 percent and we need to use screen, power runs out of a were gonna run the ball so try to stop it formation.
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    Slower? You mean mentally right? ?Cause those guys are fast, it is the coaching. It is too complex for them I think, BB just does not know how to simplified it without making it ineffective than it already is. As hard as that is to be believed.
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    Not since we reverted to zone, actually.
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    idk, I feel with more time/familiarity with eachother, and coaching....issues like tackling/leaving guys wide open in coverage, 3rd down defense can be fixed.

    the biggest thing we can improve upon that will help mask alot of our issues in the secondary is an improved pass rush...they're starting to get more pressure at the QB, but they're not quite there yet...if you can force the QB to make quick throws/innacurate throws it masks alot of deficiencies in the secondary.
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