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Can the senate focus on something other than banning gay marriage?

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  1. mgcolby

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    http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/18/senate.gaymarriage.ap/index.html

    We have foreign issues:Iran, Iraq, N. Korea and Afghanistan. We have legitimate domestic issues:Immigration, Health Care, Social Security. Yet these zipperheads want to control who can officially love who. Debating Gay marriage is a waste of Congress' time and my tax dollars. Lets leave it to the states or better yet just give them the damn rights. Can someone on here please explain to me how two men or two woman getting married to each other affects your life (non-gay)? How about we have our government resolve real issues rather then something that shouldn't be an issue in the first place!

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    #75 Jersey

    I couldn't agree with you more. But it's an election year.
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    #37 Jersey

    Why debate, just ban it it is what the people they represent want.
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    You sure do have the pulse of the people. How many people? 25%? 50%? 75%?

    Haven't both sides admitted this thing hasn't a snowball's chance in hell of passing the Senate? It doesn't seem as obvious to me as your post makes it out to be.
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    #37 Jersey

    Well every state that it was on the ballot, banned it, and in most cases by a wide margin. But than of course you have a single judge in most cases decide that it doesn't matter what the people say(even if Pujo disagrees).
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    Your first sentence is a big, fat fallacy. Of course the states that had a ballot question approved of it - those were the states with enough conservative push to have a ballot question at all. What about the majority of the states that haven't even had the impetus to put the question on the ballot? What about polls and empirical evidence that says Americans are split on the issue (maybe not an exact 50/50 split, but certainly not an 80/20 landslide or anything like that)?
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    #37 Jersey

    Yeah Michigan and Oregon real conservative bastions, right?

    Sorry but when people go and vote on something that means a hell of a lot more than a poll of 500 people. Oh wait your a democrat so a poll does mean a lot more.
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    Who gives a sh!t.
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    Shouldn't gay marriage be a state issue?? I thought the Republicans were huge on states rights, and not imposing the will of the Federal Gov't on the average citizen, who gives a flying f...ck..

    The Senate also stepped to the plate on the Baseball Steroids issue as well..
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    Shiavo's, intelligent design, and some other very important wedge issues are on the way...
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    #24 Jersey

    Every poll I've seen says way more than 50% oppose gay marriage. It's pretty much a fact that more than 50% of the population opposes it.
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    For most of the last century, a majority opposed miscegenation and in the south before the Civil War a majority opposed emancipation and there was time when a majority opposed the women's vote. The majority is often reluctant to share its special rights.
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    I don't argue with that, I even alluded to it in my post, but more than 50% support is hardly grounds for passing something without debate. Besides, the magic number for changing the constitution is 2/3 in the legislature and 3/4 in the states - 50% just isn't enough.
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    Your point was that the support for a ban is so overwhelming there doesn't need to be debate. That's hogwash - even people who feel one way or another may be open to changing their mind. Opinion is a fickle thing.
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    Other than the people who can't have the most important person in their lives visit them in the hospital, I can't imagine who would care. Unforutnately lots of people seem to.
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    More worthless crap! Let the family decide it is not the government's responsibility to decide.
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    You honestly don't believe that this is a Republican vs Democrat issue do you? If you do then you should do some more research.;)
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    #37 Jersey


    So I assume you think abortion should be a state issue also?

    I agree they should both be state issues, but every time a state passes a law it is a FEDERAL judge that strikes it down. So that makes it an issue of congress.
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    mgcolby, you do know that a key to Bush's victory over Kerry was to use the gay marriage issue to draw out conservative Christians to the polls? Rove had said that in the Bush-Gore contest, 1.5 million conservative Christians did not vote, so the Republican plan was to get the gay marriage issue before the voters in many key states, counting on that issue to rdaw conservative Christians to the polls. And the strategy worked.
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    And you do realize that Kerry was against it as well, right? Along with the majority of every minority group and most prominent Democrats. Trying to pigeon whole it into a red vs blue issue is short sighted.
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