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Can our offense take advantage of an overly agressive Jets defense?

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  1. JoeSixPat

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    I'm pretty confident the answer is "yes"

    I can't help but feel if the Jets are too agressive on defense - as Rex Ryan promises they will be - they'll leave themselves vulnerable in certain areas and that Brady, Belichick and Company will be able to exploit those vulnerabilities.

    Discuss amongst yourselves...
     
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    yes

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    Seriously, with Taylor and Maroney and the receivers TEs and Faulk, no one should be able to gamble. Balance defeats any gambling defense if we truly work the running game we should be able to defeat any scheme.

    Make them play honest, we have no weaknesses on O if we exploit all phases.

    If we ignore the run and short passing we play into a defenses hands. No excuse, we more that have the weapons.
     
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    Maybe Brady could lateral the ball to Moss and Moss could lateral it back to Brady. Then Brady could possibly look deep to Galloway.....
     
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    We are almost the victim of being too good. The tempatation is to run up the score against the league, then keep passing when they scheme and sellout to give us anything but the long pass.

    How may greatest show on turfs, early Peytons and *gasp* almost perfect teams do we have to see?

    Get in the body shots, do the dirty work, however you call it, then it's bombs away.
     
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    Not a whole lot of in-depth insight to be found I guess.

    Suffice to say that even if the Jets DID have the personnel to run Ryan's brand of agressive , gambling defense (which I doubt they do) a team like the Patriots, with Brady and all of their weapons, will shred them apart, taking advantage of that gambling, over- agressive nature.
     
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    I don't think I want to see Brady flipping it back and forth behind the line this year, nor do I want defenses to tee off on him without paying dearly in the form of runs up the gut, or short passes, screens etc.
     
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    Brady sure didn't take apart the Ravens defense.
     
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    Well, I got as in depth as you. What do you want, a telestrator?
     
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    Are the Jets really scaring you? If anything, Bart Scott is going to have to prove he isn't a product of Ray Lewis getting so much attention. With that said, I still think Scott is a very good player. However, who is going to get after the QB for them. Their pass rush doesn't scare me nor should it scare the Pats. Minus Kris Jenkins, their D-line is pretty average. Minus Revis and Rhodes, their secondary is pretty average.

    The only teams that can get away with an "overly aggressive" defense are the teams that can get a heavy pass rush. For example, the Giants and the Eagles are two of those teams. So to answer your question, until the Jets get better players on defense, the Pats will destroy them.
     
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    Kinda hard in 30mph winds gusts, even if your name is tom Brady.
     
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    It depends on how good that defense is. If Brady ends up on his back a lot, the offense won't look good. My guess is that the Pats try to spread out the Jets and really test that secondary. They ran that offense with great success in 2007... until the Giants started to catch on how to stop it - a relentless and confusing pass rushing scheme. Then again the Giants had RARE talent on the passrushing front.
     
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    I think the pass rush is the key. If a team can bring relentless pressure on Brady the way the Giants did in the 2008 SB then our offense will have some problems. Otherwise, we have too many weapons and Brady will pick apart weaknesses. I agree that the Giants and Eagles are probably the teams best positioned to bring this kind of pressure, with the Ravens and Steelers also being candidates. The Jets just don't have enough talent on their DL to worry me much in this regard.
     
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    The short answer is yes. Pressure based defenses, or defenses reliant upon penetration are vulnerable defenses. When someone comes, real estate is vacated and this can be exploited specifically by read/option routes. Obviously, this team's strength is awareness and cohesion between the receivers and QB. This is why the offense matches up so well against pressure and disruption based defenses.

    Towards the Giants defensive victory: it wasn't just pressure that was so difficult to defend. It was bringing pressure from the down linemen while dropping the seven other players into coverage. By blanketing the short/intermediate routes while bringing one of the finest pass rushes ever assembled, the Giants were successful. They were likely the only team with the personnel capable of executing the required gameplan and did so with great success.

    Rex Ryan's defense is based upon bringing other rushers from disguised angles. This is effective on all quarterbacks not named Tom Brady. Luckily, Brady is the best in the world at recognizing as the play develops and executing accordingly. I haven't studied any Ravens tape, but if I can find some game of the weeks or replays with the Ravens soon, I'll DVR them and figure out what Rex tries to do.
     
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    I completely forgot about the Steelers. However, they didn't come to mind because Brady usually does well against them.
     
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    IMHO our WR screens, Welker quick slants and... well how do I say this... "Faulk" make us more than able to dominate them. As previous posters have noted, they will create holes by bringing pressure and we have TFB.
     
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    he likes to overload and delay blitz.
    I think unoriginal might've done a breakdown on that ravens game, if you're interested.

    I don't much care what he likes to do, though, because rex ryan doesn't play football, and he only brought 2 guys with him.

    wasn't marvin lewis a defensive genius when he went to cincy?
     
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    That's if the offensive line can give him the time he needs to wait for them to get free or in the open...
     
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    Right... not much time needed for the three options I posted... read it again. Still waiting to see a QB get sacked on an open WR screen.
     
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    To many mismatches for the Jets to defend. If the rush Brady he can dump it off to welker or taylor :D
     
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