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  1. fgssand

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    http://fansforaccuratemedia.com/

    We have our own website here - dedicated to truth and fact.


    Please feel free to spread the word of our own website far and wide!!

    Please send along any add ons that you would like to see be made a part of the website as we are looking for anything based in truth and fact.


    Many thanks to Patsfansinva (he wrote most of it - the man has skills) and wahwho (he set up the website)
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    Thanks for doing this.

    I suggest you bill the Krafts for any expenses as this kind of site is what they should have put up as part of an aggressive crisis management effort last September.
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    That is what I don't understand .. The Krafts just sit there and take.. "Thank you sir, may I have another" .. They are gluttens for punishment to their franchise ..
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    That is one impressive piece of work. Well-done!
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    Well, I understand why they just sat there during the season. Then the Walsh thing came out before the Super Bowl, so the entire offseason has been waiting for that to come out.

    However, once we get past tomorrow, and theoretically all this stuff is over, then they are finally in position to fire away.

    And great job guys on the tremendous FRAMe site.
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    Wow! Great job with this website! :D
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    Disable Jersey

    I respect folks who DO what they say they'll do.
    Congrats!

    I'm gonna be off the internet with sporadic access for the next 20 days so i'll miss BIG TUESDAY
  8. Fixit

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    This will be be-yoo-tiful.
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    Awesome work!

    Hopefully someone in the mainstream or local media will catch on...
  10. Fixit

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    P.S. A message board on that thing would probably be pretty funny.

    P.P.S. Am I correct in assuming that you fine gentlemen will send this link to every sportswriter who possesses a public email address?
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    VERY impressive. I think it would be very hard for anyone to make logical arguments against what that website says. You did a very good job staying away from "Not fair, Patriots rule"/"Beli-cheat sucks" and focused on the facts available. Awesome!

    I also think that this should be sent to major media outlets. It would be interesting to hear the responses you get from people in sportswriting.
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    I heard from Ian though the help of Ponyexpress....he is working to help.

    Anybody can feel free to send the word aboujt the site to media people far and wide.

    I did have a list of about 20 or so media folks and have forwarded.

    If things go poorly tomorrow, we are going to need this more than ever.
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    Nice job - and nicely timed with the Walsh meeting set for tomorrow.

    We've obviously got the facts on our side... with Mike Florio now allowing readers to post comments many Patsfans are able to address misinformation among the media and fans directly in a well-read national forum as well.

    Frankly it's embarrassing that so few members of the media have actually read the rule they claim to know so much about, but clearly that's the case as it's news to nearly everyone that not only is taping signals not prohibited, it is allowed and continues to be allowed even today, post-2006 memo and post-Spygate.

    If taping signals were wrong the NFL would prohibit it outright. As it stands its only a question of WHERE the filming takes place - not whether filming takes place.
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    Awesome!! Thanks a lot Pats'Va and fgssand! You guys are amazing!

    And another thanks to the fan who set up the website!

    Can we set this as a sticky so that we can have suggestions and contributions on how to make the cameragate site more effective?
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    Thank you PinVa.

    Just one further note.

    If anyone has the videotape of the night game against the Chargers, I suggest they send it to PinVA for viewing because the CORE of this issue rests with Goodell's interview with Bob Costas before the game.

    As a matter of fact, it may be possible to find a transcript of the interview on NBC's website.

    EDIT: video of the interview can be found here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20891188/

    The key for me is this:
    Costas asks, How does the NFL plan to police the league from teams using hi-technology to spy (Costas specifically refers to hi-powered binoculars with recording capability which allow you to "spy" from any seat in the stadium).

    Goodell responds: "This was not hi-technology, it was being done with a camera out in the open!"

    And right there we have the crux of it. The NFL can't police this at all. What the NFL is really worried about in the end is mere perception. This is all part of the game, but the NFL wants the illusion to be there that football players are simply executing a gameplan delivered far in advance. They don't want us to see the gears that are at work ALWAYS in creating the product that's put out on the field.

    Goodell reveals here that his whole entire policy is a SHAM.

    PatFaninVA wrote an excellent contexted piece on all the ways that teams get that edge. Well, here is proof that the commissioner fully realizes that what the Patriots did is not abnormal. He also realizes that there is no way the league can police these things to the letter of the law. Instead, the Commissioner simply took an idiosyncratic and inconsistent approach to the Estrella incident in order to make a point about the league's perception. That's it. I take this as Goodell's admission that the whole thing is really just based on perception rather than any rule. The league pretty much admitted there are no rules when it ignored Mangini's admission of taping the Patriots. The league expressly stated you can BREAK the rules when you have permission. The Patriots denied they gave permission. The league made this statement after CAMERGATE broke. Essentially, the league has implied that all Estrella needed to say in order to be left off the hook is that he was given permission by someone on the Jets staff. It wouldn't have mattered whether that permission was given or not since the league did not take into account the Patriots' statement that they did not give the Jets permission.
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    If I may make two suggestions:

    (1) When you mention the document in the opening paragraphs, you should put a link right then and there.

    (2) While the qui bene? reference is nice, it might be better to just skip the Latin.
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    An amazing website with a lot of amazing information. I plan on showing it to all logical non-pats fans in hopes that a few people realize the truths of the situation and become a little more enlightened.

    Fantastic job.
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    I disagree about the Latin. A high brow tone flatters the intended audience, a bunch of self-important writers. It also distinguishes PFinVa from the rantings and ravings of message board whores like myself.
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    not bad gentlemen, not bad at all
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    LOL first of all, Pony is being self-deprecating and gracious... I am hoping the "high brow" tone doesn't occur too often in the piece... but I'll take the gracious Mr. Express' excuse and keep qui bene unless everybody has the same reaction. Again, it IS true that this site is aimed to the media whores. Secondly I am pretty sure Pony is also the person who set me straight on several of the points these fact sheets cover.

    Frank (Fgssand) has had amazing contacts throughout this process, bringing to life the actual contact with the people who should be reading this, and "making rain" in terms of knowing the right contacts and the right channels, and using them. He'll also be the public face/voice of the effort.

    A tremendous thanks should also go to Wahwho, AKA John. He took on the hosting when my web-unsavvy mind hit the old brick wall, worked with us to troubleshoot a couple of obstacles, and got the actual webby work done quickly, attractively, and accurately.

    Thanks too to all who worked on a "fact combing" thread here on PatsFans that served as our raw material. (PS, the Goodell interview from the Chargers game was in that thread or it was sent to me separately... I will have another look and possibly PM the earlier poster urging that we use it.)

    I am still looking over the site too... guys please keep the suggestions coming. It's quite possible we'll have a whole other course to pursue tomorrow evening... but for now I think this is a useful first step to have public.

    Everybody who has done work to make these few pages come to light did it on their own time, and I thank every one of you guys. (And of course, Ian, without whose work I would be in the hinterlands connecting every few weeks with another Pats fan, rather than daily.)

    PFnV
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    Nice work FGS.....Writing and creating a website like that puts my mind at ease. Knowing the facts are out there. You can't force a horse to drink but you can take him to the water.

    I know this has been sent to most of the media around here....

    I challenge all of the PATSFANS members from around the country to send this to all media whom they have read some factless story about spygate.
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    I'd like to propose the tagline: "If you still think the Patriots cheated after reading this, you're f****** stupid."
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    fgssand - GREAT GREAT GREAT work.

    In the Title, can you put a title/header that has the Patriot Name or a little more descripitve (as it relates to the Patriots)? I think the content is AWESOME! Just worried that the page may look a little generic at first glance.

    Does that make sense? Don't mean to be too critical.
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    I have no suggestions (unfortunately), only congratulations on a fantastic site. The great part about it, to me, is that it comes across as an unbiased, fact-based informational website--there is no 'fandom' residing in there, and I think that's one of the most important accomplishment's of the site. If there was a whiney, 'why us' tone to it the substance would be weighed down by the bias.

    On a side note, I'd love to see this become a sticky, and if anyone happens to see a blog/article/anything referencing the website it should be mentioned in here.

    Again, fantastic job guys! Now let's hope that a few members of the media see the value in this site and get it out into the mainstream.
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    On a serious note, though: you/we should put together a FAQ to sum everything up.

    For example:

    Q: "Is taping signals against league rules?"
    A: "No, league rules prohibit blahblahblah..."

    I think the material that you've presented is awesome, but there has to be a simple summary, as well. Let's face it: this is aimed at sportswriters and people who think the Pats cheated in the first place, not MENSA candidates.
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    PFnVa, Terrific Work! Obviously you put a lot of work into it. I hope you will have time to add more to it as time goes by, such as something about the fact that the media consistently ignores the fact that the Pats admitted to the practice of taping back to 2000 last September.

    Perhaps we could all help PFnVa with some examples of media bias and misrepresentation or omission of important facts in the aftermath of the events?
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    One suggestion - I would put Dungy's recent comments in there as a sign of typical hypocrisy - next to Dungy's comments, I would put Jimmy Johnsons' comments about Howard Mudd being the best signal stealer in the league.

    Just a thought, again, great work, hopefully a Reiss or an SMY or someone respected like that picks up on it and posts a link on their blogs.
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    Outstanding job my friend ! We have been through a lot as Pats Fans.It nice to see You showing that old Shaeffer Stadium Fire to combat these idiots.I'll stand shoulder to shoulder with You any day !The next round is on Me!
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    Nice work guys, you should be very proud.
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    make sure they get a big surprise in Shanghai. Patjew...post this in the open air market....maybe a few irate duck peddlers can start a butterfly effect.

    Seriously, tremendous job PFinV, and everyone else involved. You guys make it easy to soldier in the Patriot fan army.
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