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    I for one, will be praying that our team loses the first game of the 2008 season.

    As much as I enjoyed the '07 path to perfection, I cant get away from the fact that I think it came back to bite us.

    Does anyone remeber after losing to Buffalo 31-0, after losing Lawyer Milloy to them in the offseason, then finishing up the season with a 31-0 mirror whuping of the Bills.

    To me, and I was at that final game, that poetic justice... felt sooooo much more satisfying than going 16-0.

    I dunno, I just want that whole perfect season thing out of the picture quickly.
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    I will not root for the Pats to lose a game. Accept, sure. Root for, NEVER. :mad:
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    Re: Call me crazy....

    Yup your crazy.....

    The goal of every team every week should be to win.

    I can't picture BB sitting their saying well lets adjust our training camp and preason to reflect the fact that we are not going to try in the first week so we can get that loss out of the way.

    If you asked me what is more important undefeated or a SB than I would say a SB but here is the catch yu can't go undefeated without winning the SB.
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    Re: Call me crazy....

    Personally I'm hoping to be 18-0 again heading into SB 43.
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    I'm with you on this. Also, I hope the Patriots go 19-0 every year from here on out. I'll deal with the stress.
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    I don't get this "I hope we lose a game" stuff. Guys, going 16-0 is almost impossible. We will have those games where nothing goes our way and we will likely lose. We nearly lost 2-3 games this past regular season, but we got lucky. We would have to get really really lucky again to go 16-0 next season. So why hope for something that is almost certain to happen?
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    I dont want to lose the first game, or anything... I dont care about perfection (going against the Giants in the SB as a rematch and then going 19-0 would be SWEEEEET however), but as long as we dont lose home games...or any away games...then Ill be fine >_>
    If Bill Belichick does a "tactical loss" at the end of the season, I dont know if I'll be pissed or what, we'll have to see...
    Whatever. A Super Bowl win&ring is all I want!
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    BB would never, ever, ever do a "tactical loss" at the end of the season. He's not Tony Dungy, BB has balls and too much respect for the game to do that.
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    Yeah I think that too.
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    Being 18-0 had nothing to do with the OL play. It had nothing to do with the almost sack of Eli, the almost INT of Asante, the almost batdown by Rodney, or the almost game winning pass of Brady to Moss.

    Enough with this "I want to lose" crap! Can't handle the "pressure" of a team you CHEER for being undefeated? Go watch friggin golf...but don't cheer for Tiger Woods, or you will be cheering him to double bogey on the 17th hole.

    I would rather see more Spygate stuff than more of these sissy "I want a loss" threads.
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    Don't be afraid of greatness. I think that was one of the things I loved about this team. There were many ex-players that came out and said that they wouldn't want to try for 19-0 because of the pressure. I remember Terrel Davis saying that he would rather loose in the regular season because it would be less hurtfull if they were to then loose in the playoffs. Its a losers mentality and the same reason why coaches go conservative and often play not to lose at the end of games. The Patriots have never been that type of team and I hope they never will. They failed in this last attempt to go 19-0 and caught alot of flak for it but that is only because they came so close to it. They were 60 seconds away from arguably the greatest ever sporting achievment. When you come so close to such greatness how can you ever settle for anything but that same level of effort?
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    I agree with the posts that I want 19-0. I don't buy the pressure of going for perfection bit the Pats in the ass. In fact, I think the Pats were too loose if anything the two weeks going into the Super Bowl. I think going for perfection had anything to do with the Super Bowl loss.
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    OK no such thing as a tactical loss....

    2 examples,

    BB decided to have a punt be longsnapped out of the endzone, I know it was to help us win, but that being said.... it was a backwards way of gaining an edge.

    The Doug Flutie drop kick game against Miami, a game we could have won, and if we did the seedings would have been affected, I think that game was played to the seedings.... I know we could have won that game.



    I dont want a purposeful loss, in another words throwing a game, I just hope we lose one of them. Dont think that perfect season had anything to do with the Giants winning?

    Brady laughing at the idea that his offense would be stymied to 17 points or less, in fact he made a comment to the degree of, "Plax should have predicted 48-45" or something like that.

    Junior Seau talking about playing for "ever", dood your playing the Giants not history books!

    Teddy Bru, uncharacteristically talking about the perfect season, and not just the game in front of him.

    Bellichick all loose at the Super Bowl, like he was at the Pro Bowl again.

    Randy Moss letting a comment like, "after a 19-0 season" in regards to staying with the Pats post 2007.



    The whole team, city of Boston (Menino and his jinx), fans, sportswriters (tomase-felger), it just seemed like everywhere I looked people were drunk with this whole perfect season..... shoot Kraft bought the trademark rights to "19-0 The Perfect Season"


    when all we had to do was prepare for The Giants.



    I think this whole perfect season garbage finally took its toll, look at how the offensive line played, look at the coaching adjustments to the Giants rushing attack.

    The only bright light was our defense, and they seem to be the ones who are getting slammed consistantly.

    I HOPE THEY LOSE THE FIRST GAME AND GET SHUT OUT!!!!

    because I want them to win, and the way they win, Patriots football that is, is one game at a time.... The Patriots were playing the 72 Dolphins in SuperBowl 42 and thats why they lost.
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    Not meant as knock on our de because they played a pretty good game up unitl the end. But what about what you wrote above had anything to do with the team not making any number of plays, by my count at least 5, in the last two minutes that could have ended things perfect.


    they were so close and to say that the persuite of perfection got in the way is outrages. They lost between the lines on a bad day but all the hype in the world had nothing to do with it.
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    I always want the Pats to win every game, and they lost 1 game this yr, and I dont think I will ever get over this loss.
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    Was there some sort of false sense of invincibility going into this game? They're only human--I wonder if the fact that they had won every game, DESPITE playing poorly in 2 or 3 of them gave them too much confidence. All I'm saying is that the adjustments were few and far between during the Super Bowl, which is very uncharacteristic of this team and coaching staff. The sense of urgency was not there, for whatever reason. The hunger did not appear to be at the level of the Giants.

    Personally, I think the weight of going undefeated hurt the team. They had to take every team's best shot the second half of the year and were a bit worn down (i.e. Hobbs/Moss/Brady) I'm not going to say I would ever root for a loss in a specific game, but I think there is validity to this thread.
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    They have been getting every teams best since they won the superbowl. And last year when we were not undefeated we were saying the same thing they were worn down from a long season and ran out in the second half of the colts game.

    Except I don't think we were as worn down this year we just had a few injuries in the wrong places. But even still wasn't the sole reason for losing
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    You're insane. :)
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    Agreed. never.
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    A loss guarantees a SB win ... well there's a problem then. Half of the teams win on opening day thereby playing the rest of the season for nothing.
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    The talk has already started about the more than impossible 16-0 consecutive seasons - JUST STOP IT ALREADY!!

    If we go 11-5 and win the east and sneak quietly into the playoffs under the radar it would be great,This 16-0 stuff again is a retarded waste of discussion.

    Yes,very few thought 16-0 was going to happen last year but it did,However NOT going to be the case in 2008 and if anyone wants to think so get phychiatric help please or bet me on it.

    Those other 16 teams won't all lay down for our mighty Patriots in 2008 I assure you - 11 or 12 wins is what I assume will happen and we don't even have anything near a team formed yet for next year or anything that may transpire out of this Rams spygate crap which could have some sort of effect on anything for the Patriots so 16-0 is even more of a beyond stupid talk.
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    If you're judging how a team will do by their roster right now, you can pencil the Dolphins in for -7 wins, the Falcons in for -5 wins, and the Colts for 7. That's ridiculous.

    The Dolphins would have a starting OL of Julius Wilson, Drew Mormino, Samson Satele, Trey Darilek, and Vernon Carey. And that's all they happen to have on their roster at this position right now.

    Nothing will come of that, and nothing will effect the way this team plays next season.
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    I think you misunderstand the point of the thread. It isn't about predicting a 16-0 season. Its about whether or not you will feel uncomfortable if they don't lose a game early in the season. In other words, will you be hoping for at least one loss?

    Your right, 16-0 again is highly unprobable. However, if we reach 8-0 again, which is much more possible depending on the schedule then we will certainly begin to hear the undefeated talk again and everyone and their mom will have an opinion on wheather or not the Pats should purposely loose a game. I for one would never hope for such a thing.
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    You think they'll wait that long? People were asking if the Pats could go 16-0 after the first Buffalo game.

    And, FWIW, if the Pats get to 7-0, they will own the record for the longest RS streak without a loss (it's currently 25 games, by the 1921-23 Canton Bulldogs; among extant franchises, it's 24, by the 1941-43 Bears).
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    So your saying you would rather be 7-1 than 8-0.

    And what if by some amazing turn of the fates Miami is 8-0 will you be happy to be 7-1 then. ( I chose Miami because of how ludicrus the idea of them 8-0 is)

    You would be happy though right, who cares we could eb second in the division so long as we don't have to hear the 19-0 talk right.

    Sorry you can explain it as many different ways as you want, doesn't change the fact that every tams goal shuold be to win as many games as possible.
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    Hear hear.
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    If Lawyer Milloy wasn't cut, they could've gone 19-0 in 2003. The Pats were clearly better than the Bills, but they were just deflated in the days leading up to the opener. They also lost to a Redskins team by 3 points and could've very well won outright had Kevin Faulk not fumbled (unabashed KF fan here, just saying).

    They could've gone 19-0 in 2004, losing to the Steelers and 'Phins. I'm really not making excuses. I know they were blown out once and lost one close in '03 and '04. It's just that the Pats have been a threat to go undefeated for years and, until this year, no one thought it was even possible. It is always "possible".

    I'm not expecting them to go 16-0 again, it's just that I cannot root for a loss...EVER!
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    Not to mention in that time span the Colts put up some pretty good runs only to eventually lose and than pack it in but. they gave it their best and a few years earlier Denver and the Vikings were tryong for it. While all those teams failed proving how difficult it is, I think they also prooved it is possible and who knows maybe we can make another run at it. The colts made two runs at it (right).

    Don't forget that the dolphins always point to their losing the Super Bowl in 71 as their catalyst to the undefeated season.

    If the coaching staff can retool what we lose (asante, Bru, Seau, what ever might go) Maybe this team can use last year as evidence that it is possible and go get er done.
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    I said it back in Week 13 when the media said the 12-0 Patriots looked like they were feeling the pressure of going undefeated. Even at 15-0, the pressure of going 16-0 would be pale in comparison to any playoff game after that. After 16-0, it's 19-0 or bust or be looked at as a failure. I felt the Pats caught a break by getting the lowly-ranked Giants because the Cowboys and Packers looked to be stronger. But that was the worst case scenario for the Pats because they started to relax and believe the hype about their greatness against a 5th-seed weak NFC. Bill Belichick was smiling and joking during press conferences! That was a bad sign. So what hurt the Pats in the Super Bowl wasn't the pressure of 19-0 but overlooking their opponent.
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