Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by PATRIOTS-80, Feb 19, 2007.
Of what Reiigous Persuasion was Mr Ibrihim Ahmned, I wonder?
This is a "Hate Crime"
The Media Won't Treat It As A Hate Crime
It Would Be Treated As A Hate Crime If The Cab Driver Was A White Christian That Tried To Kill Two Muslims.
F-cking Double Standared Anti Christian Bigot Bastards.
its funny how they wont mention in the article what religion they were. I had to hear it on a Christian radio station what the story was.
And just so folks know, on that station they went out of their way to remind people to be polite and sensitive to others while talking about faith, to not jump to conclusions to stereotype this situation, and to keep the focus on the sadness of this event and to pray for all those involved.
But Harry, you have a valid concern over the double standard in how at all costs the media, and in general P.C. doctrine, demands that we "protect" the public from the whole story about these incidents.
Did they mention the religion of the people who dragged James Byrd to his death or who strung up Matthew Shephard. Does Christian radio report, "Another Christian murdered his wife in a domestic dispute blah blah blah"?
Yes, we rarely mention that the vast majority of criminals in the United States are Christian. When it's relevant and known, the race, religion, etc. of the perpetrator and victims are mentioned, as was the case just the other day with the Bosnian Muslim who killed 5 people in a Utah shopping mall.
They didn't have to mention the religion of the Byrd/Matthews killers they were white thats all they needed.
The reason the religion was mentioned in the cab driver case is because that is what the argument was about, "religion".
The Cab Driver Committed A "Hate Crime" plain and simple but to the left wing progressive liberal media a hate crime can only be committed by a "White Christian".
Actually, I don't think the cab driver's religion was mentioned. That was the point. And it's not a hate crime until the police decide it's one. The media can't call it a hate crime just because it appears to be one. To me, it sounds like the article was written with a tight deadline, so the reporter had very few facts to go on. I assume there will be more information in the next day or two.
Some crimes are defined by the police because it is PC to do so. The same crime committed with the same intentions and motivation will not be called a hate crime by the same policement due to PC considerations.
That is one reason why hate crime laws are stupid. Prosecute the action not the motivation. It doesn't matter why a person commits a violent act against another citizen.
Probably a member of the most peaceful, most tolerant religion ever there was. I am sure he wasn't one of those horrible, horrible Christians.
When the murder has to do with religious reason then actually, yeah, they do.
In otherwords, to make this simple for the simple minded, if a dude murders his wife, they don't mention religion. If a dude shoots up an abortion clinic because his religion opposes abortion, they do mention his religion. Well, as long as he's one of those eeeeeeeeeeeeee-vil Christians.
Can you provide an example or two?
You don't think motivation for a crime should be considered in passing judgment? Hate crimes law also provides a way for people to be prosecuted if they received a light sentence (or no sentence) for the actual crime. Hate crime laws also send a broader message to a hateful group. Also, as many people don't know, hate crime laws are gender, race, religion, etc. neutral. They don't provide special rights.
There won't be any more information in the next day or two from the Elite Media because the bad guy in this case was a "Muslim Attacking Christians" anybody interested in it will have to watch "Fox News" they will report it, then you can decide.
The "Old Time Media" (CBS-NBC-ABC-PBS-ECT) want nothing to with this, what they want is "White Christians Doing The Attacking".
The people don't care though all they have to do is click their clicker and they will know the REAL story.
America is wise to the politically correct double standard now.
The problem is (usually liberal) judges not giving a light sentence for a violent crime. The solution is not to create special categories for a crime based on motivation but to hand out appropriate sentences for the crime that has been committed.
If an old lady is mugged and sent to the hospital whether she is called n*gger, kike, honky, mike, lezzy, gook or redneck is irrelevant. This issue is that she was brutalized and the perp should be sent to jail.
If "The Perp" is a minority the Batty Liberals will find a thousand excuses to blubber about (he didn't have any toys to play with when he was a kid, his uncle molested, him POVERTY) blah, blah, blah, boo, hoo.
Bad Bad Cruel No Good White Christians.
White Christian------------> :bricks:
:rocker: "yup, white bastard, stone him"
The PC media has a track record of denigrating Christians while not "offending" other religions such as Islam. A prime example is how a Denmark newspaper publishes editorial cartoons picturing Muslims in a negative way, but how the USA papers would not touch any of them. On the other side of the coin USA papers on more than one occasion have shown Christianity negatively with such as an image of Mary the Virgin mother covered in dung. Then had the audacity to call that freedom of speech/expression. Now technically I guess they are correct in that it is freedom of speech/expression, however I do not feel that it is appropriate to denigrate any religion of any kind. I know that there are people that do not believe in a supreme being, higher power and they can express that. I just think it is wrong to run down someone elseâ€™s beliefs in a negative way. I believe that we should all support our personal positions with "factual evidence" or positive information about what we believe and not run down the other guy.
I know that is not the way that the PC media likes to do it and it certainly is not the way many Americans do it. I say we are all the poorer as a people and individuals because we often stoop to mud throwing and muck raking the other guy to make us seem/feel better rather than a higher road. Oh well I guess it is just a sign of the times.
Quit making sense Harry. Why are you bringing up facts and logic? You know that doesn't apply to arguements in here. :bricks:
I think that the american public would much rather hear about Lindsay Lohan's relapse, Britneys shaving her hair or those twins skinny problem.. most folks don't give a rats ass about most of this stuff.. it is there, but no one is listening.
We understand Patters. You support Hate Crimes when it's one of your binky groups that gets hated on. When it's a binky that hates on someone else, you don't seem to show the same convictions. We understand.
At any rate, this is from the Tenneseean. They say the religion isn't know, but some cites do mention he's muslim. I'd post those articles, but people would criticize the sources.
Talk 'became heated'
According to Metro officer John Pepper's report of Sunday's incident, the three men had a conversation about religion while in the taxi that "became heated." Shortly after the men paid Ahmed, he chased them in his van across the parking lot and over a curb, striking Invus.
Although Ahmed's religion was not known, Metro police spokeswoman Kris Mumford said one of the students is Catholic and the other is Lutheran. She said she did not know which was which.
Invus suffered a broken ankle, a hip injury and abrasions in the incident and was taken to Vanderbilt University Medical Center, where he was listed in stable condition Monday evening.
When contacted by The Tennessean, a self-described family member who answered Jeremie Invus' cell phone declined to comment about the incident and would only say that Invus was in stable condition.
Ahmed, who is in Metro Jail on $302,000 bond, also faces aggravated assault and theft charges after police discovered the tag on his van was stolen. Machado said she did not know where the stolen plate came from.
At the same time the Virgin Mary was painted in Elephant Sh!t by a Minority in AFRICA an Art Museum in NYC was showing a Statue Of Jesus Christ floating in a bottle of "Human Urine", the liberals thought it was great, "Freedom" they called it.
Try pulling this sh!t with Mohammad
Start f-cking around with Allah then you will see how fast they listen.
My Point Exactly Harry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I for one am d@mn sich and Tired of it.
Harry, you illustrate a point here that I've been trying to put accross to people inside this forum for quite some time. Indeed, FOX News has already reported that the man in question is a muslim, whereas no other source you mention has. It could be because FOX is wrong, but at any rate, my feeling is that it's because those other stations don't want to report that he is. My point here, is that you can see how different the media outlets report news. One station wants to put out the "muslim" aspect, while others don't want to mention it at all. It's clear slant/angle/bias as I always talk about. What's sad is that his religion is the reason why the incident happened, but also, is it such a big deal? I think making this some muslims are crazy story is going overboard, but at the same time, not mentioning his religion is not saying enough. It's quite sad to me that news stations seem to shape news, or almost pick sides. That's disturbing to me. I've always felt that pundits can shape, but that stations should report. I don't think this incident is anything that should be overblown, but I also don't think that it shouldpurposely go underreported.
Fox News reported this last night, Cute Perky Katie would throw up if she had to mention it.
If you want the whole story go to Fox.
The double standard is coming to the boiling point in America soon the American people will no longer tolerate it, the Illegal Alien thing will be the straw that broke the camels back.
I am a dirty white mother f-cking christian.
Or how they put pics of Madonna's cross crucifiction in the paper all the time, and talk about it like it's "Art", yet, could you imagine them/her doing something like that with another religion? Nope.
Good point Real World. That is what I am talking about here. I do differ with you a bit about Fox. I feel that they tend to be the lone moderate/conservative news source and are much more often accurate. Unfortunately the rest seem to be blatantly liberal and biased. I am not saying that Fox has no biased. I think it just has a lot less than CNN, MSNBC, etc.
PS: Harry I also am a white Christian male, middle aged. Oh no that makes me a dinosaur and a bad personâ€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..
The whining of the Christians. It's would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic. Piss Christ was not an anti-Christian work. It was a commentary on what we have done to Christ. The virgin Mary in elephant dung was not anti-Christian; it was done by a Nigerian artist for whom elephant dung represents fertility. I'm not saying you should like the works or want them in your home, but you should not draw conclusions based on your ignorance. Many religious critics, including Sister Wendy, defended the works.
As far as Madonna and cross go, some Christians do find it offensive, just as some Muslims find laws that target them as terrorists offensive or some Jews find the many anti-semitic expressions and words in our language offensive. Christians trying to be martyrs while living with all the advantages that our predominantly Christian nation affords them should be embarrassing. At any rate, it's pathetic, and thank God the vast majority of Christians here are not like that.
Try doing that stuff with an image of the Prophet of Isalam and you will be murdered.
beheaded for offending Islam. Cuz I'm so humiliated.
Do you have any examples of that in the U.S.? I'm sure there are a few, just as there are a few examples of abortion doctors being murdered.
The Danish cartoons were run in many smaller newspapers in the U.S. (and can easily be found on U.S. sites online). Were there any murders associated with them?
I'm not saying there aren't radicals and psychopaths out there, but I think you are simply being bigoted by making assumptions that you can't support.
"In a television interview with Bill Moyers, Sister Wendy explained it was her view that Serrano was not saying Christ should be dropped into a jar of urine, but that Piss Christ represented 'what we have done to Christ' - that is, what contemporary society has made of Christ and the values he represents. 'It isn't very good art,' she said, 'but he's doing his best.'"
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