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    Obama and George (looney) Clooney will save them.
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    Yeah, like with Darfur...problem was that by the time everyone was paying attention and agreed that it needed to be stopped half the people were already dead.
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    We will not intervene there is no oil and they have dark skin..
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    True...

    But what about the chocolate?

    Rising Cocoa Prices May Leave Chocolate Fans Bitter : NPR

    It used to be that people wished their country had oil to make them a wealthier and more developed nation. Now, they wish they had it so the US would save them from their despotic and murderous regimes...Oh wait, that might not be good enough (see "History of US Foreign Policy)...there have to be thousands of dead...no wait...that's not enough either (see Sudan, Rwanda and Congo).

    Maybe the chocolate supply disruption might save them.
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    It's easier to cozy up to Bolivia.

    But yes, the situation here is far worse than in Libya. NATO aircraft are surely on their way.
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    But we're not in Libya for our oil as much as for our allies in Europe's oil. Shouldn't we also protect Europe's supply of chocolate as well? Huh? HUH?

    I'd be very interested in the White House's response to the question: "The situation in the IC is much worse than Libya. Since you state that we're acting in North Africa for humanitarian reasons, how do you plan on helping the IC in West Africa?"
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    The UN and France are already intervening.

    ABIDJAN, Ivory Coast (AP) — A United Nations helicopter fired at strongman Laurent Gbagbo's forces on Monday as France authorized its military to take out his heavy weapons, an unprecedented escalation in the international community's efforts to oust the entrenched leader.

    The office of French President Nicolas Sarkozy said U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon had requested France's military participation.



    The Associated Press: UN helicopter fires at Gbagbo Ivory Coast forces
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    Presidents could avoid all of this if they would just tell the truth about the reasons for our military deployments. All but the most dim or ignorant realize the real geostrategic reasons for our selective involvement. Maybe if the President would simply level with American people on matters like this, we could begin to trust the office just a little more.
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    I hope Drogba is okay ...

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    Good to know. Looks like they don't want another "Hotel Rwanda" to come back to haunt them in ten years.

    [​IMG]

    BTW, did the Security Council resolution on the 30th included authorization for the use of force or does peace-keeping have a new meaning now?
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    This is true, but unfortunately I don't think those in power trust, respect, or even NEED the People anymore. The Kleptocracy could care less and would prefer we didn't know. Why do you think election day is on Tuesday?

    ...pardon the cynicism.
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    No, no, I understand it completely. It's one of the reasons I scoff when I hear people say that we have the power of the vote. Sure, we can kick out an elected official after one term, IF we're paying attention, but most of the time they'll be replaced by someone else just like them, except with a different letter in between the parentheses.

    It may seem crazy, but it's one of the reasons I'm suspicious of those who are so eager to take away the last defense the people have against oppression. But that's another discussion...
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    Beginning to wonder if our politicians are each trying to be resident contrarians... as their views differ from many others..

    Seems as though these folks will defend Gbagbo, even though he has committed atrocities.. it comes down to the holy wars again, and our view of how the world should work.

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    Source?

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    If Inhofe, Beck and Robertson are on one sde, you can be sure the other side is the one to back.

    (Hell, I could have left it at Inhofe alone -- has he ever taken a defensible stance? on anything?)
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    I think where we keep going wrong in trying support democracy is that we seem to be promoting the idea that majority rule is the only characteristic of a free society. We failed to enshrine fundamental rights that protect those in the minority (religious freedom, for example) in Afghanistan and Iraq and now appear ready to repeat that mistake throughout the Arab world and Africa.

    A Muslim government coming to power because it is the preference of the majority would not be a problem if we successfully promoted the establishment of basic human rights first. Based on recent history there is probably cause for concern. Where Inhofe, et al, have gone wrong is that they only raise alarm about the religious identity of the majority group rahter than concern about protecting the minority groups.

    Cue responses that scoff at the idea of Christian persecution.
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    Agreed, though another place we go wrong is in pretending that all we're trying to do is promote democracy and protect human rights.

    re Christian persecution, I don't think many people would deny that it occurs abroad. What is scoff-worthy is the notion of Christian persecution here in the states. (and what's hypocritical are complaints of Christian persecution abroad from those who are fine with Muslim (or other religions) persecution here)
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    In your view is a Congressional hearing equivalent to a pogrom?
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    why -- lots of anti-Christian Congressional hearings going on?
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    No, but plenty of pogroms overseas.
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    guess you've lost me
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    What was the persecution to which you were referring?
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    I said there is persecution of Christians abroad, but there is not domestically.
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    But you said that people were cool with persecution of other religions here in the U.S.

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    No anti muslim hearings but there are hearing about Muslims encouraging and participating in terrorist actions against the country.

    Major Hassan says hi.
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    ah, now I understand what you're saying. Not other religions -- just Islam. and, yes, King's hearings were one example. Better examples have been various protests about mosques (NYC, TN, WI, Temecula CA), and the jeering of the Islamic women's center in Orange County.

    None of that would condoned for a moment were the subjects of the protests Christian or Jewish.
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    Yes, anti-Muslim hearings. King was trying the entire Muslim community for the actions of the few. We don't do that with Christians.

    Eric Rudolph says hi.

    So do all the Catholic priests and their higher ups who were diddling young boys.

    Where were King's hearings about Catholics?

    King is a bigot. You're just OK with it because you have no problem with bigotry toward Muslims.
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    Yeah as persecution goes I think that most Christians in places like Turkey would trade places.
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    I didn't realize we were comparing the 2 forms of persecution -- but why the constant comparing of ourselves to worse places? Other nations' poor treatment of their citizens doesn't justify ours, particularly when ours contradicts the principles our nation was founded on.

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