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Bye, Bye, USA: UK's Brown "Now is the time to build global society"

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  1. Real World

    Real World Moderator Staff Member

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    So is everyone ready to be a citizen of the UN of E? (United Nations of Earth)

    If the leadership in this country tries to make us a state, in a global government, I'll be buying a weapon, and quoting Charlton Heston.

    "From my cold dead hands" :mad:



    UK's Brown: Now is the time to build global society

    07:03 PM EST
    LONDON (Reuters) - The international financial crisis has given world leaders a unique opportunity to create a truly global society, Britain's Prime Minister Gordon Brown will say in a keynote foreign policy speech on Monday.

    In his annual speech at the Lord Mayor's Banquet, Brown -- who has spearheaded calls for the reform of international financial institutions -- will say Britain, the United States and Europe are key to forging a new world order.

    "The alliance between Britain and the U.S. -- and more broadly between Europe and the U.S. -- can and must provide leadership, not in order to make the rules ourselves, but to lead the global effort to build a stronger and more just international order," an excerpt from the speech says.



    UK's Brown: Now is the time to build global society

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    Aww it won't be so bad RW. We both know how wonderful, efficient, and tolerant of diverse political opinions the UN is.

    This is the kind of the thing that will make the cult of personality around Ron Paul and the libertarian movement grow.
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    I don't understand how Brown's view of a new global order consists of the UK, USA, and Europe. These three regions are declining, and he is completely ignoring the increasing clout of emerging markets.

    If I were to construct a committee of leaders to negotiate a new financial order, I wouldn't even have the UK in there. It is a tiny country with a small economy, that still thinks it is some sort of world leader.
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    The rest of the world was So Happy when the MTV crowd elected Barack Hussein Obama as America's President because the rest of the world Hated the way America has been run for the last few hundred years (freedom)

    The rest of the world Cheered when Obama won, they now see another Third World Socialist Sh!t Hole emerging instead of the FREE country we once were.

    :mad:
  5. Real World

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    Yeah man. What's he thinking? GB only has the 5th largest GDP in all the world. What a mental midgit he is.
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    #75 Jersey

    Some folks have dialed up the Drama-Effect a few notches the past few days.

    There has been quite a lot of fainting and handkerchiefs being pressed to bossoms lately.

    Very Victorian, folks! :D
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    From what I know about the future, aren't we supposed to invent WARP DRIVE before the world unites?
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    Mav, have you appointed yourself a spokesperson for 3rd world/emerging nations? Sometimes you seem to support them more than your own country....whattup with that?

    You should do a Google before you make statements that aren't true. Here is a ranking of countries by GDP

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

    1 United States 13,807,550
    2 Japan 4,381,576
    3 Germany 3,320,913
    4 China (PRC) 3,280,224
    5 United Kingdom 2,804,437
    6 France 2,593,779
    7 Italy 2,104,666
    8 Spain 1,439,983
    9 Canada 1,436,086
    10 Brazil 1,313,590
    11 Russia 1,289,535
    12 India 1,100,695
    13 Mexico 1,022,816
    14 South Korea 969,871
    15 Australia 908,990
    16 Netherlands 777,241
    17 Turkey 659,276
    18 Sweden 454,839
    19 Belgium 453,283
    20 Indonesia 432,944

    * Dollars in millions
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    It's inevitable, the only question is when. So long as we don't blow ourselves up first.
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    Brazil, Russia, India, China, Japan are all around top 10, yet Brown wants the new world order to be defined by the UK, USA, and Europe?

    I can buy the USA, EU, and those 5 other countries to form a new G7 group. The UK is a small player in world affairs nowadays, even though they like to think they still have power.
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    I wonder if blowing ourselves up, and starting over, wouldn't be a better option. :eek:
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    As far as "military power" goes, they are among the strongest...tiny country or not. To set up a new world order is a huge challenge. We would want (and the world should want) the countries that have been the most stable and have the longest experience at their form of government and economy.

    Show me one emerging nation with enough of either to know their arse from their elbow Mav. Also, the US isn't going to have to change as much as the rest of the world since we would set the standards. We will NOT have marxism or communism...you can bank on that!
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    Emerging markets are in the toilet and will be for a long time. They sell their crap to the US. Well, for right now we ain't buyin'. We probably won't for a while and therefore they will remain in the toilet for a couple more years. This is all pure speculation as is everything related to the world and economics.
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    The main issue is it is pretty funny the guy wants to build a global society... dictated and defined by old White guys in the UK, USA, and Europe of course.

    I would strongly prefer that the builders of whatever new world order do not come from a history as bad as the UK's when it comes to slavery, colonizing other lands, starting up the drug trade in Afganistan/India, and also propping up current financial institutions which basically rape non-White countries around the world with debts deliberately designed to be unpayable. I also don't think any global committee is legit if it is just a bunch of old White men dictating the future of the world.

    I just looked up the world military expenditures:
    List of countries by military expenditures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It is messed up that basically whoever has the biggest gun automatically has a place at the talking table. Since it is all about Might is Right, I wouldn't be surprised to see Brazil, India, and China working for crazy space weapons in the future.
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    Well then maybe each country sends a number of delegates based upon population. That would also place the US among the top...probably second only to China. SOMEONE will need to take the lead. Since the US is no longer lead by an old white guy...it's lookn' pretty damn good for us.

    Look Mav...here's my take on you. correct me where I am wrong.

    1. You'd LIKE to see the US go through economic choas
    2. You WANT there to be a new world order, but you'd like to see the US "cut down to size"
    3. You're not a big supporter of US capitilism
    4. You don't like American's eating steak while many in the world starve
    5. You're not REALLY loyal to your country as much as to your own philosophical beliefs

    If I'm right on 1 & 2, that's pretty sad on your part Mav.

    Just as an FYI...Americans will not be willing to sacrifice the lifestyle we have built for ourselves to make room at the table so to speak. Which is why I believe you want the US to experience hyper-inflation and a failed currency. Hell, you'd actually be disappointed if that does not happen....again, pretty sad Mav.
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    Actually you are wrong. My views of what I believe will happen to America are based on economic reality and trends, whereas my opinions of this UK minister draw from a more historical perspective.

    I want America to prosper, but its government is essentially a tool for lobbyists and special interest groups right now.

    Whether it be military, business/industry, Israel, or any other special interest group, the country is basically not representing its people but rather these special interest groups.

    Also, the more you learn about how Anglo institutions essentially still rape poor countries around the world through the IMF and Central Bank, you would be a little less nationalistic when it comes to having Anglo leaders take the lead. It is pretty laughable that we continue this facade of being some sort of moral compass, if you carefully study Anglo or US history, and the LONG list over the past 60 years that we should be ashamed of. Frankly I was a nationalistic sheep only until the past several years. I bought into the good-feeling BS we tell ourselves about how great we are, when a lot of it is just spin and/or flat out lies.

    I am still a registered Republican. I believe in certain values as they pertain to government, and how you treat people and the free markets. The weird thing is, NONE of those values is expressed now either in the Republican party, in the United States as it pertains to capitalism, or even in our foreign policy the past 50 years. The whole thing is just a bunch of slogan bullsh*t. Yes, I am disillusioned.

    I am still fine if the US takes the lead in a new global order, especially with a half-Black dude as its face. There is no one else to do it but us. The new order should reflect the world economies and also population; that means including tan and brown and yellow faces to the table. It is ridiculous for the UK to try to take the lead, when it is not an economic or military or moral leader. And it is ridiculous for this UK leader to talk about creating an international order, and then only mention the UK, USA, and Europe as the crafters of this new order.
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    You're right again MMav. We should let Africa, the Middle East, and South East Asia determine the shape of the New World Order. Afterall, the white western world has a past history of slavery, rape, mutilation, oppression, totalitarianism, etc.
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    You just described the UN. Welcome to the UN of E everyone! Aren't you all excited? [​IMG]
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    Hey....leave me out of this! I've only done a little of the above.;)
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    You have to understand the choice is no longer ours. Macro drivers pertaining to world economy, wealth growth trends, imports/exports, etc are not in our favor. The Saudis and Chinese hold us by the balls because they have been subsidizing our life for a LONG time, and nothing is free in this world.

    You need to stop confusing different issues. In terms of economic reality, it does not mean I hope America will fail if I think that its economy is on a downhill decline. I am stating what I think is going to happen, not what I hope will happen. You are letting your hope cloud objective projections.

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