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    How did they decide who would be "flexed"? It would seem only natural that the most logical thing to do to ENSURE that the Jests didn't bag it if Baltimore is destroying the Jags.....would be to PUT the Pats/Bills game at 4:15 pm. I mean, if the Jests don't know their fate yet,......THEY HAVE TO PLAY IT OUT.....they are still somewhat in control of their destiny......THE PATRIOTS are totally dependent on what other teams do.....to get into the playoffs.

    This just seems like another F.U. by GOD-dell to the Krafts and the Patriots.....and a defense of his beloved Jets. How in gods name can you explain it any other way? IF we beat Buffalo........The Jests already know that if Balt is beating the Jags pretty soundly by halftime (which they should).....and that NE has already won.......their next move is to lie down for Miami to keep BB/Pats out of the postseason........EVERYONE can see this one coming......except that corrupt pile of horsesh#t GOD-dell and the other con-artists and scheister's (sp) that control this league.......This is f'in pathetic.......
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    The 4:15 games are the most watched out of the daytime of the NFL games as they start at 1 out west instead of 10, so the NFL wants the games that attract the most viewers. In your scenario you could have the Dolphins beat the Jets at 1, and then the 4:15 Patriots game would be meaningless and there'd be no reason for any team to watch. With the way the NFL set the schedule up they have CBS's biggest game set where no matter what happens in any of the other games one of the two teams could win the division with the win.
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    Seems fairly simple, the Fish are fighting for a Division Championship after going 1-15 last season.
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    The networks flex the games, not the NFL, am I not right?
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    I thought for some reason that the Nfl did, but it would make more sense that the network does it. I don't know. Being that I have nothing better to do at work all night, ill go search nfl.com for an answer. brb. :D
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    #12 Jersey

    Flexes are done to maximize ratings. As with everything else, it ultimately comes down to money.
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    I believe the nets need league approval of all flex requests.

    Could be wrong, tho..;) :D
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    here's some more info I found, but take it with a grain of salt. Its not from nfl.com.

    Flexible-scheduling
    Since the 2006 season, the NFL has used a "flexible-scheduling" system for the last seven weeks of the regular season where there is a Sunday night game. The system is designed so that the league has the flexibility in selecting games to air on Sunday night that will feature a more even or intriguing contest as well as make it possible for teams to play in primetime.

    Under the system, all Sunday games in the affected weeks in the Eastern and Central time zones will tentatively have the start time of 1 p.m. ET (10 a.m. PT). Those played in the Mountain or Pacific time zones will have the tentative start time of 4:05 p.m. ET (1:05 p.m. PT). Also, there will be one game provisionally slotted into the 8:15 p.m. ET slot. On the Tuesday twelve days before the games, the league will move one game to the prime-time slot (or keep its original choice), and possibly move one or more 1 p.m. slotted games to the 4 p.m. slot. During the last week of the season, the league could re-schedule games as late as six days before the contests so that as many of the television networks as possible will be able to broadcast a game that has major playoff implications.

    FOX and CBS may each protect five games for the 1 p.m. or 4 p.m. slot. However, they may not protect more than one game per week, and can not protect any games in week 17. All games in the final week of the season are subject to being moved to 8:15 p.m. Individual teams may make no more than four appearances on NBC during the season. Only three teams may make as many as six prime-time appearances (Sunday night, Monday night, and Thursday night combined).
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    Regardless of if it is the decision of the networks, the NFL, or both, the bottom line is they both are attempting to maximize profits by offering the games that will be watched by the largest number of viewers. The obvious choice for the 8:00 game was Denver at San Diego. The 4:00 games went to teams that control their own destiny in the AFC, the Ravens and Dolphins. And Dallas at Philly was another obvious choice for the 4:00 game on Fox.

    While we as fans may not like it, it doesn't make good business sense to have all three games on at the same time. Jets, Dolphins and Ravens fans will all be watching the Pats, and then their own team at 4:00. Pats fans will watch the game in Buffalo and then the Jets - Dolphins. And if that's a blowout, the network can switch to the Ravens game.
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    Does not seem all that complicated the Jets and Giants were both scheduled for 1:00 PM, so for maximum exposure they flexed the Jets to 4:00 PM.. secondarily, it makes sense as the Jets/Phins will generate a lot of interest=ad dollars...
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    Yep, it's all about ratings. The Jets-Miami game is most likely to get the most viewers. Since the Jets game had to be moved later away from the Giants game, the fairest thing IMO would have all 3 games at 4:15. But I guess they wanted 1 game with implications early on. As long as the Ravens game isn't before the Jets game it is okay but odds of the Jets being fully motivated are still better if all 3 were at 4.
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    I exchanged emails with Chris Gasper about this earlier this week. He noted that certain questions were asked to NFL officials about the decisions.

    I asked him to clarify or specify what the question he asked was. These are Gasper's words as to how they replied: "I asked if there was consideration to moving all three games and they gave me the answer about creating an exciting television arrangement."

    Later, Gasper noted that the NFL said they also moved the Baltimore game to maintain competitive integrity.

    The way I see it, the Baltimore move to 4 pm increases the level of competitive integrity. But this is not the optimal level of competition, obviously. 3 games would be optimal. Putting the Baltimore game at 4 pm would also be optimal.

    Why did the NFL choose an arrangement that was something less than optimal? Well, they gave you the answer already: They want to create exciting television!

    So, there you go, when it comes to competitive integrity, the league doesn't have to maximize that criteria. They can have less integrity if it makes them more money.

    Personally, I think this week's games are more compromised by the decision than, say, a team throwing a preseason game, or a team lying on its injury report, but the NFL thinks competitive integrity is harmed more when a team doesn't go all out in the preseason or when a team lies on its injury report.

    Obviously, the NFL is na backward thinking league.
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    While this is true, I as a fan just don't care if the NFL is maximizing profits. Makes no difference to me. And really it doesn't make any difference to them either if this one decision brings in a few hundred thousand less $$$ than it otherwise would. I just think it's pretty crappy of the NFL not to try to totally preserve the integrity o the game on the field.
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    Well this is my feeling too....good post.....all games with this much riding on it should be played at same time.......Because, If Pats win, and Baltimore jumps out fast against Jax.....Jets have the information available to justify a "laying down" so that the Pats don't get in. This would be pathetic....but I could see it because Man-GINA and the Jests hate the Pats SO MUCH.....and because already I am sure Crackhead Morris, and Cry me a River Shula have probably already made phone calls to Woody (JEst owner) in NY.....FIRST and FOREMOST however, Pats need to beat Buffalo of course...
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    Just shoot me. The same argument the OP is making - the Jets will tank because Jacksonville has only a slight chance of winning - can also be made with respect to the Pats-Bills, i.e., if Pats-Bills were on at 4 too, the Jets would still tank because the chances of Buffalo winning are slight.

    1. This argument makes no sense.
    2. The conspiracy talk is pathetic.
    3. The Pats should have won more games. As it is, they have to rely on other, crappy teams to win. That sucks, but it is not the NFL's fault.
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    One last consideration for those few still considering the 'conspiracy' theory. In the NFC, Tampa plays (and will probably defeat) Oakland early. The Bucs need to win and for Dallas to lose, making that 4:00 game interesting for playoff implications in multiple markets.

    However, Philadelphia (much like the Jets) is also vying for a playoff position - and need the Bucs to lose to get in. So if Tampa Bay wins, will Philadelphia lose their incentive to play hard? Does this scheduling mean that the networks and the NFL would rather have Dallas in the playoffs than Tampa Bay?

    Personally, I don't think so. It just means Dallas - Philadelphis will draw a larger national audience than other NFC games would for Fox. But I also predict some NFC fans will cry 'foul' with the timing of games in that conference.
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    You know, we are truly blessed at patsfans.com to have you present to ask the tough questions like that one, because apparently at no time in the 214 messages in that thread did anyone think of discussing that topic. :rolleyes:
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    Jets - Phins and Jags - Ratbirds. Both games will have a bearing on the playoffs. Both games offer win and your in scenarios. Jets - Phins has good storyline + Lord Favre. Jags - Ratbirds also has a good story, rookie coach, rookie QB, etc.

    Only the jags have their fate already decided, so these should be good games.....
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    I disagree with you. If PATs played at 4 also the
    JETs would not KNOW the PATs would win or lose until the score was
    out of reach. Suppose the 1st half has PATs up only by 3 points?
    They still have a shot at Divis

    By playing at 1 if the PATs win, the JETs will go into their game
    knowing
    1. they win ... PATs are Division Champs
    and maybe Raven lose and they get in as a wild card.
    2. they lose Miami is Division Champs

    THIS IS A HORRIBLE THING THE NFL HAS DONE.

    They should have kept all three teams playing at the same time be it
    1 or 4 .
    There is absolutely no justifiable reason for this manipulation by
    the NFL .... NONE!!!


    Kraft and Belichick should be very vocal about this! The PATs guys have
    fought though injuries and played their heart out only to get this slap in the face by the NFL. This is an outrage! :mad::mad::mad:
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    The Patriots could have gone 12-4, and if Miami and Baltimore won a game, say Ravens v. Steelers, we'd be in the same position. so, I'm not inclined to go the IF route for IF the Patriots had won one more game, they wouldn't have this problem.

    Having two games on at the same time would have been better for competitive integrity since the chances of both Ravens and Pats being up big at halftime are less than only one of them being up big.

    Plus, with the weather in Buffalo, New England's passing game is all but dead for tomorrow.
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    Yes, I think the flexing ends up being to the Patriots' detriment. No, I don't think it was on purpose. Just my opinion.
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    Dec. 28, 2008. CBS Announcing NYJ/MIA game :..."Here is an update in Baltimore as the Ravens now go up 20-3 on the Jaguars with 0:33 remaining in the first half, and here, Brett Favre has a 3rd and 11 at his own 4 yard in what looks to be a kneel-down situation with 8 seconds remaining in the first half with Dolphins ahead 10-3. Whoaa, Favre goes back to PASS, is scambling in his own end zone, looking, looking, Porter from the blind side, he's hit near the back of the end zone, ball loose, Jets recover,.......hold on, the are trying to get to the bottom of the pile, TOUCHDOWN Miami, they go up 17-3 as the teams head to the locker rooms for half time. It is surprising Dick to see Brett giving Joey Porter the high-five after such a devastating play, and you'd think by Brett's expression that the Jets just scored not the Dolphins. That's strange......."
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    That is simply untrue, there is what many believe is a justifiable reason (TV). For that matter, this allows many Pats fans to watch the Jets-Miami game, which would have been impossible before the flex.

    As to Belichick and Kraft screaming about this... Belichick did not, and my guess is that Kraft, TV-aware as he is AGREES with the move. Even if he wouldn't say so.

    By the way, the Jets deep down believe their season is done, because everyone is pounding into their brains that they are expected to lie down on purpose. Absolutely noone has pointed out that if the Ravens get behind it will ENERGIZE the Jets and they will play harder. "Win and you're in" games go the other way every single year, people are being childish about this.
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    I think you're way off on Kraft's reaction to this. You really think Kraft believes it's a better move to mess with his team's playoff chances for the possibility of making the league a couple extra hundred thousand dollars? Really?
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    Jeez, again?

    Some fans would tank a game and thereby trash their repuatation out of pettiness and dislike for another opponent. I understand that. I'm a fan and I hate the Jets.

    However, players are professional and this is business to them. They play well for their careers and reputations, so that another team will sign them when they are free agents, and because that is what they do.

    Have you ever watched after a game, and seen players hugging and laughing with the members of the other team. Most of us dislike Peyton, but Brady doesn't.

    All this talk about tanking games is stupid.

    The Jets will lose because Favre sucks as a QB and Mangini sucks as a HC, not because of what may or may not be on the scoreboard.
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    This move can seriously lessen the JETS motivation as they play the game.
    A highly motivated JETs team is very advantageous to the Patriots.
    This move therefore presents a very real possibility of detriment to the Patriots chances for a Playoff position.

    The players have over come injuries this year only to get handed a raw
    deal by the NFL!

    TV money and Fans watching JETS/DOLPHINS game is in NO WAY
    justification to do this to the Patriots Players and organization.
    How could you even suggest that it is. :confused::confused:

    This is SO BAD! ... unless we don't care about the Patriots getting into the playoffs :eek:
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