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    CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 trillion over 10 yrs | Campaign 2012 | Washington Examiner

    Oh sure this law will save money.
    This is like the Big Dig times a thousand on steroids.
     
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    You got me there but at least I'll admit it.
    The problem I had with the war was staying to long.
    But I said back in 2003 (not on this board) I'm for the war so long as there is WMD's. And catching and killing an INTERnational terrorist Saddam,and he was.
    Overall I'll agree it wasn't worth it.

    One thing I'll asure you of is there will be a lot of Americans dying because the quality of care will go into the toilet as do most government programs.
    Its already a loser and it hasn't even started.
     
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    we already know how many american soliers are dead and wounded because of the WMD lie (4,400 and 30,000 wounded)

    according to Harvard, your benchmark of acceptable Americans dead from lack of healthcare is:

    (drum-roll........)

    45,000 deaths a YEAR

    Harvard study finds nearly 45,000 excess deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage | Physicians for a National Health Program

    lets see in 2014 (when Obama-care actually kicks in) how many americans are linked to death from having Healthcare?

    (If you say that last part out loud....it sounds pretty silly)
     
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    Ask me in 2024, when the lines are around the corner at clap shacks because no wants to be a doctor.
     
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    Ask Obama to get us out of Afghanistan... he surged there and failed.
     
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    Here-here!

    GTF-OUT!
     
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    hahah...sure

    Nobody wants to be a doctor in every other nation on Earth either....

    (insert sacrastic eye rolling emotocon internet thing here)

    If you are a person involved in healthcare only for the profit, I don't want you as MY doctor.

    The Hippocratic Oath also says F-off!


    also...if we are spending so much $$ on it, why wouldn't people want to be doctors? Thats like saying "we are spending too much $$$ on defense contracts, nobody is going to want to make tanks and bombs anymore"

    which one is it?

    are we spending too much, or does nobody want that $$???

    or do you just hate the president?

    (BTW...incase you can't figure it out, thats rhetorical)
     
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    I'm skeptical that it will save money, too.

    But I also think it will expand access.

    So it's one for two on the major healthcare issues our nation faces.

    Let's hear a constructive alternative -- one that will expand access and cut costs.
     
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    There are already a lot of Americans dying because their quality of care is in the toilet.
     
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    Doctors don't go through years of training to work minimum wage. If you want that type of person, good luck. In the real world, providers are now trending to be specialists because they make more coin than general practitioners. And there will be a big shortage. Worse if the Medicare "doc fix" never gets resolved.

    Here, I'll even link a leftie who knows it:

    The health reform law’s biggest threat: 30,000 too few doctors - The Washington Post
     
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    Well, in the "mature" market for health services (both meanings intended,) doctors which take medicare routinely pay the "government schedule" for the same procedure or office visit that bills more if you don't have medicare. The state says "oh you say it really costs X? Too bad. You take medicare or you don't -- if you do, it costs X - Y. Cuz that's what we pay."

    So I'd say that if your complaint is that government getting involved in private insurance does not bend costs, and private insurance not only doesn't bend costs but also excludes large swathes of the population, the solution would be government handing the entire shootin' match.

    My biggest concern about the Affordable Care Act is that it's half a loaf -- it's giving Republicans a Republican solution in hopes they'd vote for it.

    They didn't anyway. Obviously many countries have universal national healthcare, and their health outcomes are cheaper and better than ours.

    Greatest good for the greatest number with the lowest cost? National Health Care. However, our level of discourse on this devolved to an insistence that coverage for an advance directive consultation is unplugging grandma.

    By the time I'm in my 70s, I'm pretty sure that will be covered and encouraged. Right now 10,000 people are turning 65 every day. By then it'll be 10,000 people turning 85.

    This will all have changed by then. If it changes in the sense of "Rabble rabble repeal obamacare rabble rabble," it'll change at least twice, and in short order -- because continued insistence on healthcare as a plank of 1950s anti-Mao sentiment is not a rational analysis. The public policy answer isn't the "rabble rabble" answer. And half the people who want to exclude people from access to care, if they win, will know by then they made a big mistake.

    As is often the case, it's a heavy lift to stop a little progress. Doing an about-face and going backwards is even harder. Just like trying to go back and get rid of access to birth control today.

    PFnV
     
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    The problem is more basic than this we went to a war based on lies, and incurred between 4-6 trillion in unfunded liabilities not including "legacy costs".

    Are you confident that you can assure something based on a free DC publication, that is known for its bias???
     
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    You are either lying or don't understand the definition of access.Which is it?

    New liberal definition.
    Access- force someone else to pay for it.

    Affordable Care Act - 1000+ quid pro quo crony unions and states getting waivers..yeah affordable for them.Maybe they ought to call it the access to extortion act.

    The only people that are restricted access is the catholic church.They are being restricted ACCESS to their constitutional rights of freedom of religion.
     
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    They have every right to restrict access to their members - they have no right to restrict access to anyone else.

    For that matter, I'm not even sure they have the right to restrict access to their own followers - The Catholic Church accepts and follows the doctrine of free will - thus they have the right to punish (ie: excommunicate, withhold sacraments, etc) their own members for breaking their rules but they do not deny them their free will right to choose to do so - or to make their own peace with God.

    Recently, in Maryland, a parish priest refused to give communion to a known lesbian at her mother's funeral mass and then he "took sick" and was unable to accompany the mourners to the gravesite.

    He got suspended by the diocese. It was beyond his paygrade to judge her, either publicly or privately.

    U.S. News - Priest who denied communion to lesbian suspended
     
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    The Catholic Church has become a rallying point for the right, inow another sound bite, all the while 75% of their constituents want to have access to birth control from their institution..

    But the dudes dressed in red with white hair know better there is nothingin the Bible which prohibits birth contro, this is a rule made exclusively by men.

    "1000+ quid pro unions and states getting waivers... interesting statement, but no veracity..

    Keep googling Obama bad, see what new lies you can come up with..
     
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    This sounds like-what's the phrase?--an "unproven assertion"?
     
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    You don't have to google to deep to find that info.

    Fine. And I want a happy ending from Lindsey Lohan.
    Lindsey would probably say you can have a happy ending,you just ain't gettin it from me.Dosen't mean I can't have a happy ending it means she dosen't want to provide it for me...Oh the humanity!

    In case you haven't heard.The catholic church is not a democracy.
     
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    Nobody's freedom of religion is being violated.

    If somebody's is, you've failed to demonstrate it.
     

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