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Bust watch: who is this year's JaMarcus Russell?

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  1. FredFromDartmouth

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    There has to some time bombs in this year draft class but who are they? Who will forget about practicing and studying once they get their signing bonus and start buying fur coats? Whose stock has been inflated by being surrounded by superior talent or coaching?

    JaMarcus did not work out at the Combine. But that should have been a hint. [It would be interesting to see how guys that who did not work out did once they were in the NFL. It shows a lack of confidence or they are trying to cover something up.]

    One thing I see in a lot of QB busts is that the can throw the ball a mile and pundits get all excited about this while forgetting about accuracy and consistency and escapability.

    As far as WRs some get drafted too high when they put up exotic 40 times.
     
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    Why Cam Newton, of course! He might have more Tim Tebow in him than Russell, but either way teams are a lot more gun shy about drafting Newton with the recent experience of Russell fresh in their minds.
     
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    Nick Fairley and Ryan Mallett...
     
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    Bingo! We have Bingo!
     
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    I think we're going to have a lot of "Bingos" because there's going to be a lot of busts this year. If you gave me Mallet, Kaepernick, Newton, Locker the only one of those that I think *might* be a starter in five years is Locker. And I doubt he'll be a good starter. I think the only legit top-5 QB might be Dalton and he won't go in round 1 (or possibly even round 2.) But I bet he turns out to be the best of the bunch, though who knows how good.

    And that's only the QB position.

    This draft scares me, frankly. Maybe I'm just being uber-negative, though.
     
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    Add Locker or just about any other QB in this year's draft
     
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    Bingo! My initial thought was "Ryan Mallet" but the Russell comparison wouldnt be accurate because it seems that people know he's a clown and won't be picked very early. Newton could very well be the 1st pick or he could be a late 1st rounder, someone will take a chance on him and I think they'll get a nightmare on their hands, someone who wants to be thought of like a LeBron James (when he was still a superstar in Cleveland) or Obama (before he was elected when the Kool-Aid machine was running at full capacity) but doesn't want to do ANY of the grunt work needed to take his game to a higher level.
     
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    Marcell Dareus will never be a player considered worthy of a top 10 pick.
     
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    If "bust" = failure to live up to expectations, I'm not sure that anyone in the is draft aside from possibly AJ Green can live up to the expectations of a #1 overall pick. Seems extremely improbable that any of these QBs will. There are a lot of questions about Prince and Pat. Can either Fairley or Dareus put up Suh-like numbers for the Panthers? And, if they don't come close?

    Let's say Carolina takes Fairley and he becomes a 40-50 tackles/3-5 sacks per year D-line anchor for them for the next 12 seasons and never misses a game while Green becomes the next (insert your GOAT WR here). There will be Panther fans arguing that, "Yeah, Fairley's been solid, but you take a guy like that later, not with the #1 overall. He's a bust. They shoulda taken Green."
     
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    Whenever I hear something like this about a QB my bust alarm goes off:

    "Blah blah blah good size with a strong arm blah blah blah but has to work on his accuracy / consistency / concentration / maturity..."
     
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    What the hell, I'll go against conventional wisdom and predict AJ Green as a bust. Not a JerMarcus Russell bust, but a Ted Ginn, Reggie Bush - no way he can live up to the hype - type. He's listed as 6-4 and 212, but he looks very slight to me on film. I could see him as having an injury plagued career if he takes a few hits from NFL safeties over the middle.
     
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    Betting that big WRs will be busts is usually a pretty good bet. For every Calvin Johnson there is a whole slew of David Terrells.
     
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    If he were sitting there at #74, would you take him?
     
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    I don't know how you base your prediction of never. He's a 5 technique in a 34 and a 3 tech in a 43. Being able to line up as a DE in one system and a Dt in another does not have the sign of bust to me. It's more like nice versatility. Are you questioning his ability, size or smarts? His amazing 10 yard split of 1.66? To some like yourself, he may not be an ideal fit in New England and thats fine. It's very hard to predict big athletic lineman of his size as a bust though. Or "not worthy of a top 10 pick" as you put it. I'm just wondering how you came to this conclusion?

    I hope the 2 inches too short or 5 lbs too light or heavy argument isn't coming to play again. I hope it's not production either. Didn't really have chace to make tackles when other teams wouldn't even think of running his way.
     
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    Wow. Nice find.

    I'll go with "there will be tons of busts this year" -- but none as epic as JaMarcus.
     
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    Indeed.

    The very term "this year's JaMarcus Russell" overlooks the fact that Russell's spectacular failure was One Of A Kind.

    It's like saying "This Year's Apocalypse." Those things only happen so often. :p

    ...None of which is to say this wasn't a very good idea for a thread, as it certainly was. :)

    You can put me down as thinking that ALL FOUR of the top QB's will disappoint, with a Face Plant or two thrown in...and perhaps all FIVE.
     
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    i agree but i think he's a lot more like vince young, lots of talent but at some point he will have a melt down.
     
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    I don't think it will be anywhere near Russell's level, but I believe Ingram is going to surely dissappoint. Why- because so much of his yardage comes AFTER contact and i dont think he will break anywhere near as many tackles in the pros. His speed is limited and doesnt seem to have many moves. I expect him to look the way he did against South Carolina when he struggled against a disciplined defense(i think it was this game).
     
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    I think probably it's too early to get Brady's successor via the draft. That said, if I was of a mind that this was the year to do it, I think he'd be a decent one.

    Just my opinion which isn't worth much, really.


    EDIT: I don't know that we have roster room for QB3, but if so I'd take him. Possible he gets up to QB2 and possible he has value for trade later.
     
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