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  1. Holy Diver

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    From Vanity Fair:

    http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/05/kissinger200705?printable=true&currentPage=all

    Vietnam.

    Using language that has a painfully contemporary echo, Kissinger and Nixon very quickly came to private conclusions about Vietnam that they never revealed publicly and denied entertaining. "In Saigon the tendency is to fight the war to victory," Nixon told Kissinger, according to the transcript of a 1969 phone conversation. "But you and I know it won't happen—it is impossible." Even so, according to Haldeman's unpublished diaries, Nixon later urged that Democratic critics making this same point should be labeled "the party of surrender." When someone told Kissinger that Nixon could not be re-elected, because of Vietnam, he disputed it and added, according to a memo of a conversation, that "anytime we want to get out of Vietnam we can," and that "we will get out of Vietnam before the [1972] election." Nixon wanted to plan the removal of all U.S. troops by the end of 1971, but Kissinger cautioned that, if North Vietnam then de-stabilized Saigon during the following year, events could have an adverse effect on the president's campaign. According to Haldeman's diaries, Kissinger advocated a pullout in the fall of 1972, "so that if any bad results follow they will be too late to affect the election." He apparently had nothing to say about the American lives that would be lost by deliberately prolonging the war. Just before a peace treaty was signed, Kissinger in a phone conversation advised Nixon against stating that this was a "lasting peace or guaranteed peace because this thing is almost certain to blow up sooner or later."
     
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    well, we all know Rumsfeld and Tricky Dick Jr. learned their tactics from Tricky Dick Sr. ... oh, how history repeats...
     
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    I am now 100% convinced that 1) Bush knows he lost this and 2) he is simply milking it as long as possible to pass the buck.

    Its grotesque that he is using our troops to salvage whats left of his failed presidency, but it seems most likely what his operatives have directed him to do.

    Sad waste of life solely for a meager ignorant and arrogant old man, nothing more. He has broken the military and it will require a generation to rebuild. Meanwhile, the reich will blame the left for raising taxes , while the Bush cronies cash out on their war profits.

    And yes, Worse Than Watergate has proven completely true.
     
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    that's a GREAT book...

    from the preface:

    ... In looking at the Bush-Cheney White House, I found it not unlike Nixon's in that it spends far more time crafting the president's public image and working on the politics of reelection, than on truly addressing the business of the American people. But what clearly distinguishes this presidency is its vice president, a secretive man by nature whose unmatched power is largely veiled but whose secret governmental operations have changed the world—and not for the better. Dick Cheney, effectively a co-president incognito, works behind closed doors and does not answer to Congress or the public. His partner, the president, is not sufficiently knowledgeable about their policies to answer questions about them adequately, if and when he does occasionally make himself available. It is not that he is stupid, only ignorant—and apparently by design. Yet time and again, their principal public policies—both foreign and domestic— are laden with hidden agendas.

    The Bush-Cheney hidden agenda I have focused on relates to their national security policies, given their critical importance. Equally worthy of attention is their hidden agenda to end federal entitlement programs by running up budget-busting deficits while hiking military spending, which is bleeding the federal treasury and will ultimately result in there simply being no money available to pay for social programs after this administration is gone. These, of course, are programs—such as Social Security and Medicare—that they dare not eliminate.
     
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    Good quote Press. John Dean is 100% correct in his assertions and practically everything he laid out in that book has now had a little light shined on it...revealing its accuracy.

    Start with the treasonous outing of a CIA covert operative. Then go to the reasons for that outing. All comes back to one very solid fact: that Bush-Cheney planned on going into Iraq with or without 9-11, but that 9-11 made that sell more palatable to the american people. Downing Street confirms this. (The moron neo-cons always love to avoid that discussion like the plague)

    That to me is the biggest error they made. They squandered international alliances and abused the public trust with their pre-planned decision to take out Hussein. It will take a generation for our government to be trusted again, maybe more.

    Also, on the deficit thing, it is Grover Norquist that has set this in motion on the domestic side. His plan is to make it so ineffective that one could "drown" the US government in a bathtub. His plan, while obviously contrary to every principle this nation has been established on....is well underway.

    Anyhoo. Bush and Nixon governments have many things in common. Secrecy, abuse of power, and most of all, complete disregard for democratic principles of majority rule.
     

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