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    Just like the push for the Iraq invasion, the Bush League wants to monitor everything you do under the guise of protecting us... Perhaps next they'll insist on cameras in public bathrooms to monitor that awful spector of Drug Use on our kids.... Oooooo...

    Is it fascism yet?

    Feds Pushing for Internet Records
    By John Reinan
    McClatchy Newspapers

    Saturday 06 January 2007

    Minneapolis - The federal government wants your Internet provider to keep track of every Web site you visit.

    For more than a year, the U.S. Justice Department has been in discussions with Internet companies and privacy rights advocates, trying to come up with a plan that would make it easier for investigators to check records of Web traffic.

    The idea is to help law enforcement track down child pornographers. But some see it as another step toward total surveillance of citizens, joining warrantless wiretapping, secret scrutiny of library records and unfettered access to e-mail as another power that could be abused.

    "I don't think it's realistic to think that we would create this enormous honeypot of information and then say to the FBI, 'You can only use it for this narrow purpose,'" said Leslie Harris, executive director of the Center for Democracy & Technology, a Washington, D.C.-based group that promotes free speech and privacy in communication.

    "We have an environment in which we're collecting more and more information on the personal lives of Americans, and our laws are completely inadequate to protect us."
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    We cannot expect total freedom and security at the same time. Some freedoms will have to be lost in the name of security.

    Some might get all testy on this subject and they have that right.

    The way I see it in life is that if you're a law abiding person of decent morals none of these supposed freedoms being challenged is going to affect your life.

    If we were a lesser country then one would need to worry. I would rather give up some freedoms in the name of security as opposed to the day America sees daily suicide bombings on our streets.

    Why is it the people screaming about freedoms being challenged are the 1st to blame the government when there are security lapses?
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    Here's a better question: Why is it that the people crowing "they hate our freedoms" are the first to sacrifice their own freedoms for the sake of paranoia?

    Please, when does the "daily suicide bombings on our streets" drama come to a merciful end? It's become rather laughable. And what does that have to do with monitoring John Q. Public's internet browsing? Did you even read the story? Gonzalez admitted it was child porn he was fronting as the reason for swift legislation. Are you re-appropriating what it's for?

    Big Brother eaves dropping on your daily lives is about monitoring your voting and buying habits far more than it is about protecting your kids from predators, or gathering intel on terrorists... Don't be fooled...

    Regardless, I thought we "weren't going to let the terrorists dictate our lives?" ... I prefer my freedom in its entirety, not limited by paranoia, thanks...

    Child porn predators?? ... Give us a break.... Hey, drinking and driving is an epidemic also... Should we all have a government-installed breathalizer machines attached to our cars' ignition also? ...

    This is the most repressed, wacko administration in American history...
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    One thing that's occurred to me, when they want to slip something truly obnoxious by us, it'll always be hidden in the guise of fighting child molesters. Terrorism doesn't seem to have the same 'sheeping' effect on us that it had after 9-11.

    "You wanna implant a radio transmitter in my azz and print a UPC code on my forehead? Are you insane? Well if it'll help catch baby-rapers, sign me up."
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    How should the American People be protected from the world of POLITICALLY CORRECT FAR LEFT LOONIE LIBERALISM.
    It is the world that these crazy bastards created that allowed the Arab Muslim Bastards to slaughter 3000 human beings in two hours on the morning of 09/11/01.

    Flight School In Florida:
    Mohammad --"Hi, I'd like to learn how to fly a plane but I don't want to learn how to land it"
    Instructor--"Sure we can do that"

    Boston Logan Airport 7:00 AM 9/11:
    Big Fat Security Person To Little Skinny Security Person:
    Fat Security Person--"Here comes a bunch of Arabs"
    Skinny Security Person--"Smile and don't say anything to them, we don't want to offend them we'll get fired"

    If America is to avoid another 9/11 this country has to change, the practice of "If it feels good do it" has to stop, the enemy USES our freedoms to DESTROY our freedoms.

    Wake up you f-cking liberal fools LOCK YOUR DOORS.
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    They'll never catch serious criminals that way. Actual internet traffic can be encrypted and not even Uncle Sam can break through modern encryption. What this will allow is the government to spy on political opposition. How fitting that in the last few days it was disclosed that the Nixon and Reagan administrations had the FBI run background checks on opponents of Rehnquist's Supreme Court nominations in order to try to discredit them. It's only been 20 years, do you people believe our government is more honest now than it was then?
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    i stopped reading when you suggested daily suicide bombing will indeed happen... where's my tinfoil hat?
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    FBN, I'm pretty much in the same boat as you. However, there is a limit to what I'll accept as a necessary evil, and what I won't. I was fine with the wire tapping, as it was targeting international calls from suspected terrorists. This one I don't like. This is a little to Zig Hail to me. I don't trust the government. Not always anyhow. The end of the article pretty much sums up how I feel about this one.


    Internet service providers typically keep records of Web traffic only for short periods, usually 30 to 90 days, as a way to trace technical glitches. Many ISPs, along with privacy advocates, say that it's already easy for government agents to get the information they need to investigate crimes.

    The FBI, without a court order, can send a letter to any Internet provider ordering it to maintain records for an investigation, said Kevin Bankston, an attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a San Francisco-based group that promotes free speech and privacy on the Web.

    "There's been no showing that mass surveillance of all Internet users, mandated by the government, is necessary for law enforcement," Bankston said. "If this passes, there would be a chilling effect on free speech if everyone knew that everything they did on the Internet could be tracked back to them."

    The government has offered differing rationales for its data-retention plan, said Harris, the privacy advocate.

    "I've been in discussions at the Department of Justice where someone would say, 'We want this for child protection. And someone else would say 'National security,' and someone else would say, 'Computer crimes,'" Harris said. "We're operating in the wild, wild West here."
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    Well, it's not either or to me. I think there are civil liberties that we're going to have to surrender in the name of safety. My issue is the extent of what's surrendered. For example, post 9/11 is it that much of a bain on your life that you can't bring sharp objects in your carry on? To me it isn't. Well, thats something we surrendered. Now, with this internet records crap, I'm not in favor. They already keep them 30-90 days, and keep them longer if requested. That's enough for me.

    BTW, Clinton wire tapped in the late 90's, so it's not simply this Administration, it's every administration. Had Jimmy Carter been president during the 9/11 years my guess is that government agencies would be trying to do the same.

    Oh, and don't look now but those breathalizers might be closer to a reality than you fear. :eek:
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    Exactly. It's the "save the children" BS I always talk about. When people start yelling that phrase, or anything close, you better pay attention. People use it because they know that the public has a high retard factor.
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    Have you ever asked yourself why that hasn't happened? :D

    I agree with you on this one Press. I don't like what the government is asking for here.
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    Know what really scares me?
    This pervasive fear culture. It has robbed our kids of their childhood, made lawyers and insurance companies billions, and has made us all suspicious of each other.

    One of my kid's school friends wanted to come over for an afternoon, and her mother said, "I'd like to get to know you a little better before I leave her with you, if you don't mind." I said, "thanks for the compliment, but I'm sure Jess over here can vouch for me". And Jess, another mother present, said, "Oh yeah, he's a good guy. He hardly has any criminal record" joking, and we both laughed, but this twit looked nervous like she thought we were serious. Honestagawd!

    "Well, I didn't mean...", said the twit when she realized how stupid she sounded, " I just didn't want you to be nervous about her being around you without your wife there..."

    People are stupid...and apparently very afraid.
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    Wistah, the sad thing is, people should be worried. Society isn't what it used to be.
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    I disagree, FW. Society has always had its dangerous elements. I got in plenty of fights that included injuries in the 70's. My parish priest turned out to be a perv, our neighbor was a dangerous lunatic (we found out later) and there were car crashes, fires, murders, robberies, and all that stuff in my city growing up.

    The big difference now is the omnipresent media reports of every single missing child from Washington state to Florida. People think it happens all the time, but it doesn't. My city is much calmer today.
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    Thanks, you saved me from having to type all that!
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    Lol, you hit the nail of rightwing lunacy right on the head! They want to go back to some golden age that only exists in their minds.
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    Well, you used to fight, as did I, now they knife and shoot each other. I grew up in the city I live in, Chelsea. I moved out in '89, or '90, and moved back in 2001. It's far worse than it used to be. I think society has gotten worse. Of course, that's just my opinion. Obviously we all see things differently.

    Your mention of the perv priest is why I'm not a big fan of the church.
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    Why is societies lack of trust in each other rightwing lunacy? I was watching nightline last week, and they had a story about some steroid head who murdered his wifes ex lover, and then fled to Europe. In Europe, some 7 years later, and after changing his identity, he ended up murdering a cop. The story itself isn't my point, it's what a women from England said during the show. She said, and I'm para phrasing here: "It used to be that when you heard on the radio that someone was shot in this country, everyone stopped in shock. Now when you hear someone's been murdered everyone just keeps about their business". I feel that is so true.
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    It may well be that Chelsea has gotten worse. I'll take your word for it. Wistah has always been an easy-going place to live with very low crime for its size and lack of anything fun to do besides drink and eat (plenty of that).

    My point was that the total national and instantaneous nature of the news is different and paints a subliminal picture of life today which combines all freaky behavior, murders, abductions, car chases, plane crashes, etc. that we never would hear about on the six-o'clock local news 20 years ago. All these horrific events seem to happen every day right next door but they're actually happening three time zones away. I'd bet the house that if I had the time, I could do a study to show the correllation between today's paranoia and the rise of 24-hr cable news.

    In other words, we're scared to let our kids ride their bikes because of too much information.

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