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Bush: Last Republican pres. ever?

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  1. CrazyDave

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    Could it be?
    Could this election be historic in ways not imagined?
    With each passing day, more old homophobes die off.
    Can the megachurches bring in enough new people to compensate?
    Without the christian right, can Repubs even get a whiff of the white house?
    I don't believe so.
    Is "Cut taxes" and "Drill Baby Drill" going to be enough?
    Doubtful.
    Can "God, Guns and Gays" still succeed in bringing about the "Permanent Majority" that Rove and others speak of?
    I doubt it.

    Feel free to discuss.
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    Not at all. Pepsi and Coke, sir. It ebbs and flows. People were saying the same thing when the Rs steamrolled into office years ago. They claimed the Ds were dead and gone.

    Historically, the pendulum swings back and forth.
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    Well, the Republicans are certainly going to have to change in order to survive. Like it or not, they have to find way to make their party more attractive to minorities. The fact is more Republicans are dying every day than Democrats for the reason that Republicans are on average older than Democrats. So, things are only going to get worse for them.

    Right now, what I think they're hoping for is that the recovery does not kick in prior to 2010. If that happens, they still have enough strength to do very well in the midterms elections (when, historically, they should be favored anyway). If they do well in the mid-term elections that will position them to try to reform. But as I see it, they have only two options with reform:

    - A libertarian approach, which would put many of the evangelicals and fundamentalists up for grabs.
    - A moderate Republican approach, which will help them among white independents and perhaps Latinos (who are often more socially conservative than liberal Democrats), but would reduce their base and the activism of their base.

    I don't think the Republican Party is anywhere near dead, but I think it has some very tough issues to grapple with. They will have to change in some fundamental way. Right now, they're only plan seem to be to pray and hope that Obama fails.
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    Remember the old Avis slogan "We try harder"? They dropped that when they fell to third best in the car rental industry. Things change sooner or later, and not neccesarily in a way that's expected.
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    You know, that's what I hear, and normally I'd agree.
    But, this seems like a fundamental change or a trend toward a more left of center ideal.
    I think social issues is what's going to get them.
    Unless they screw up so bad that people go completely the other way.

    What's that saying? If you're in a hole, stop digging.
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    not really......the older someone gets, they further to the right they go.....it is a huge trend

    the same thing was said when carter was elected.........what happened the following 12 years?
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    Morning Tank. I was hoping for some input from you guys. lol
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    Could be,
    Todays Homophobes may be dying off but third world homophobes and minority Homophobes will be there to replace them, we saw a little of it in the Defeat of the gay marriage bill in California.

    The new democrats could very well be in power for a long, long time, America will change, right now we have a President who seems to be the closest thing to a Dictator as this country has ever seen.

    The new democrats are haters, phony's, liars and vicious cut throats, our new president is a lying phony, he practically follows in the steps of the Hated Bush, the change we can believe in was a bunch of crap, many of his fawning liberal followers are now themselves having second thoughts about "Our New Prince"

    Pop Culture MTV Hollywood type democrats now run the country they themselves with all their Loonieness and socialistic blathering garbage will "Bring Back The Republican"

    The Clock Ticks And The Pendulum Swings

    GOD HELP US IN THE MEANTIME
    AMEN
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    Morning Harry.
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    #24 Jersey

    LMAO. Funny. Did you miss the recent poll where 40% of Americans say they lean conservative vs. 20% liberal (the others were undecided or independent). Once the Republicans get a good candidate they will have a strong chance to win. That may be in 2012, it may not. But any thought that "Republican" or "Conservative" is dead is ridiculous.
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    Four years of broken promises and job losses and Obama will not be re-elected.
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    an admission that you're nothing more than a troll?

    the older people get, the more they understand that the notion of liberalism is a farce and that it is nothing more than a money/power grab to buy votes

    such has been the pattern of virtually every liberal program placed into action since before the depression
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    Gee, i come here to trde a few rounds with you guys, and now I'm a troll?
    I thought I was bein friendly.
    I thought I was saying good morning and subtly communicating to you that although we don't often agree, I DO respect your opinions.
    A troll? Hey, I'm just tryin to fit in around her untillo training camp starts.
    I'm sorry you don't enjoy interacting with me as much as I do you.
    That goes for some other people around here as well.
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    #12 Jersey

    So what do you think it will be replaced with? Or do you invision a 1 party system with zero checks & balances like we have in the state of felonious speakers. MA? Statistically both parties have declining erollment.
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    I'm not sure. You would probably have a better guess than me.
    Is a viable 3rd party possible?
    Will the GOP move toward the center, or to the right?
    A 1 party system benfits nobody.
    Of course everyone needs to be represented. Hopefully, in a accurately proportionate manner. Right?
    I'm just curious as to how the GOP is going to hold it together.
    By going to the right, they kind of paint themselves into a corner IMHO.
    By going toward the center, or left, they risk alienating their base.
    If a strong leader were to emerge from within the party, some sort of galvanizing force, than they might be ok.
    But even if that happened, what would they galvanize around?

    I meant this thread as a serious question.
    Although I hoped it would stir people up a little.
    But that seems to be the way this place is a lot of the time, no?
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    #24 Jersey

    My God - I haven't heard that kind of thinking since . . . the last election. Liberalism has not won. It's less of a minority now but we're still Center Right, though a little less so. The big win last November was anti Bush - there's nothing like being in control to turn people against you as the Dems will find. This is a non issue and a ridiculous question.
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    blah, blah, blah............

    do YOU believe there will never be another republican president?
  18. CrazyDave

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    So then, you are not concerned about the future of the GOP?
    I did'nt think it was a ridiculous question.
    I find you response quite intlligent, and I appreciate your ideas.
    I think you are onto something.
    Time will tell. But I ask you again, what direction do you think the party will take?
    I'm not accustomed to seeing the GOP act like...well, Democrats.
    They usually seem to be more together.
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    While I always vote for third party losers, I find it hard to believe that the main Party would allow it. The only way it could happen is if the American electorate suddenly and inexplicably decided to think for themselves, educate themselves and vote for something other than what Madison Ave., the mainstream media, and Oprah says. I don't see that happening, though.
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    People who ignore history, are destined to repeat it.

    Meet the new people, same as the old people.

    So, anyone think that Coke is dead, and Pepsi will be the only cola left standing? :rolleyes:

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