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    NBC: 11 Republicans Berate Bush Over Iraq In Private White House Meeting »

    In a sign of the growing fissure between the White House and its congressional allies over the war, NBC News reports tonight that 11 Republican members of Congress pleaded yesterday with President Bush and his senior aides to change course in Iraq.

    The group of Republicans was led by Reps. Mark Kirk (R-IL) and Charlie Dent (R-PA), and the meeting included Defense Secretary Robert Gates, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Karl Rove, and Tony Snow. One member of Congress called the discussion the “most unvarnished conversation they’ve ever had with the president,” and NBC’s Tim Russert said it “may have been a defining pivotal moment” in the Iraq debate.


    Russert described the conversation:

    [O]ne said “My district is prepared for defeat. We need candor, we need honesty, Mr. President.” The president responded, “I don’t want to pass this off to another president. I don’t want to pass this off, particularly, to a Democratic president,” underscoring he understood how serious the situation was.

    Brian, the Republican congressman then went on to say, “The word about the war and its progress cannot come from the White House or even you, Mr. President. There is no longer any credibility. It has to come from Gen. Petraeus.” The meeting lasted an hour and 15 minutes and was, in the words of one, “remarkable for the bluntness and no-holds-barred honesty in the message delivered by all these Republican congressmen.”​

    watch the report here
     
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    These so-called "moderates" are misreading the political landscape. The wheel of fortune is turning back in the Republicans favor. The casually uninformed are quickly becoming disenchanted with the shrill rhetoric and impotent gestures coming from the Dems. The faces of the Dem party are far from charismatic and telegenic. ""The Mask" Pelosi, "Elmer Fudd" Reid et. al. grow tiresome quickly on television. The more shrill Pelosi becomes in public pronouncements, the more rapidly the Dems will hang themselves with their own rope.
     
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    lol... what a pathetic attempt at spin... yes, yes... the 'wheel of fortune' is turning back..... keep dreaming...

    tomorrow is a new day... reality can still be yours
     
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    Not sure that George has the will or aptitude to listen to anyone right now except for his atta boy backslapping inner circle. He has not shown any ability to consider any other position or point of view, and these guys will just be dismissed as GOP'ers who are fearful of not getting elected, not people who should be listened to. IMO his greatest downfall has been to make decisions without dissenting voices and just listen to those close to him, the dissension route is more cumbersome and unwieldy, however a better way to go.
     
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    Just goes to show that aome pubbies are political cowards who put politics above principle.
     
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    You are an interesting example of why some people are a day late and a dollar short when it comes to business, politics and life. You are seeing yesterday's trend instead of tomorrow's.
     
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    Why do you always insult people who don't agree with you my good man.
     
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    #15 Jersey

    This should be a red flag for any die hard Bush supporter. Eleven Republican congressmen tell Bush he has no credibility for the Iraq War. I am betting that there are more Republicans who share that thought that did not make the trip. Meanwhile, as Bush continues to veto any effort to end the war the Republican party will continue to lose support and ultimately filibuster numbers.
     
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    It's too bad people didn't do this a couple of years ago. Party over principle. How long have I been talking about that? The only reason these clowns are barking is because their job is on the line. The order goes job first, party second, fill in the blank 3rd, and principle somewhere near the back of the bus. Crap, principle is probably tied down with some bungie cord on the roof rack during a thunderstorm. :(

    Anyhow, as for the "wheel of fortune" thing, momentum has always been, and will always continue to be cyclical. The Dems ran a campaign that simply pointed a finger, and said "hey, we're not those guys", and won convincingly. The problem with running that way is that it gets you elected, but it turns on you real quick when you have no platform, identity, or purpose upon taking control. I tried to explain this to someone yesterday regarding the next president, and how he/she won't have an easy time simply because they'd be following a 30%'er. Look at the numbers for the GOP and the Dems, the Dems are loosing luster, and loosing it fast. Why? Cuz they suck just as much as the people they pointed their fingers at. They are all the same people.
     
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    Harry, I guess you've noticed that too eh? ;)
     
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    well, i learned it from guys like you and Harry and Quifgon and Turd pretty much the day i joined here.... when in Rome...
     
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    You were in Rome when you joined here? Awesome. It's an incredible city. I'll be in Rome in August, I can't wait.

    BTW, where's Turd been? Turd and putt?
     
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    #80 Jersey

    The craziest thing about this is that the details of this meeting were leaked to the press by the Republicans at the meeting.

    Attempting to distance themselfs from this war and this president. The GOP has sucessfully become fractured here. Bush is virtually alone here, being hung out to dry by his own party.


    can things get any worse for him?
     
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    Here are Nancy "The Mask" Pelosi and "Elmer Fudd" Reid looking their finest. Anybody else see the resemblance? LOL [​IMG]
     
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    oh how i love this... let me count the ways... Pig Boy and Lott... madder than Bert...

    Rove berates GOP lawmaker over Iraq meeting.

    “Top Bush administration officials lashed out at a pair of House Republicans at the White House yesterday after details about a contentious meeting between President Bush and GOP legislators were leaked to the media earlier this week.”


    Sources said that Dan Meyer, Bush’s liaison to the House, confronted LaHood while White House political strategist Karl Rove rebuked Kirk. It is unclear if LaHood or Kirk were the original sources for the stories, but LaHood was quoted in one of the articles.

    Regardless, LaHood and Meyer got into a shouting match as emotions ran high and voices were raised yesterday morning in the White House while lawmakers were waiting to meet with first lady Laura Bush, according to two legislators who witnessed the exchange. LaHood and five other GOP lawmakers met with Mrs. Bush in the Yellow Oval in the White House residence to chat about the No Child Left Behind law.

    “The White House is not happy,” said a Republican lawmaker. […]

    Several lawmakers who attended one or both meetings did not fault Bush, but blamed his aides for overreacting.

    “They can have such thick skin,” said Rep. Tom Davis (R-Va.), who attended the meeting on Tuesday. “[President Bush] ought to embrace this and be seen as getting input from everyone.”​


    Lott: Republicans Should Have ‘Kept Their Mouths Shut’ About Bush Meeting »


    Desperate to cover-up the increasing conservative divisions over Iraq, Senate Minority Whip Trent Lott (R-MS) today blasted the Republicans who spoke to the media about their meeting on Tuesday with President Bush.

    During a CNN appearance today, Lott said that he was “concerned” that the Republicans “had this frank discussion with the president, which could have been very positive, and then they came out and started talking about it.”

    “[T]hey broke one of the cardinal rules, in my opinion,” Lott said. “If they’d have kept their mouths shut, their value of speaking candidly would have been worth a lot more.” Watch it:
     
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    From what I saw the dongressmen involved could not be fairly described as 'conservative', some spin by the paper.
     
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    gonna need a little more on that than just you saying it is so... after all, you've proven to be the spin master here... regardless, who's calling the Bush League very "conservative" anyway?
     
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    I didn't know you went to Rome, I went to Atlanta once.
     
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    Hold your nose and go to a conservative site and you will see the parties involved described as RINO's - Republican in Name Only. As to whether you 'believe' me or not....who cares. I was making a point about the media's biases not trying to convince you of anything. I was speaking to others on this forum.
     
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    The Republican Party is undergoing an identity crisis.

    The religious and corporate conservatives were never completely comfortable with each other, and the neocons, some of whom has socialist roots, were also an awkward fit in the party. Then, of course, you still have a number of Republican moderates and there are even a few liberals still around, and they are now being assertive.

    The Republican Party is undergoing some sort of transformation and is trying to do so without losing some its key constituences. The anti-war Republicans appeal to the traditional isolationist Repubs, anti-tax and deficit Repubs, as well as I would think to some of the religious conservatives. They don't appeal to the neocons, the Republican machine apparatus (run by Bush and Rove), and the corporate Republicans, which find the war quite profitable.

    It will be interesting to see how this all plays out, but I'm sure they'll have straightened out before the 2008 elections. The question is which of their constitutencies will the alienate enough that those groups will give the Democrats another look. Of the Democrats, Hillary is probably best positioned to pick up some of those Republicans.
     

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