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    NFP Mock Draft 1.0 | National Football Post

    Amukamara and Ijalana

    Not making it easy for us message boarders

    Just noticed that Carimi and Watkins are still on board for both picks. I'm pretty sure I'd take both over Ijalana.

    Of course, ol' Wes has 3 guards going in the first round, so ....
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    As much as I like Prince falling to us at 17. I believe the needs are elsewhere. Great value though. I guess if Bill deems him best available, he may be the pick if he was to fall that far. I would be a tad dissapointed though.

    Ijalana at 28? I know he is getting run as of late, and well deserved. 28, really?
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    OMG HE HAD US PASS ON ALDON! D: D: D:

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    If the draft board unfolded this way I would take Aldon Smith at 17, Gabe Carimi at 28 and trade down a few spots from 33 and take Wilkerson.
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    This should go into the "Draft fail" thread.
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    Heh, it was a 50% win.
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    Seriously, I like Prince and all but... FAIL.
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    If Wilkerson has a good combine, I would not be surprised to see BB trade down a few spots from #17 and take Wilkerson.
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    Your picks would be far superior to what Bunting gave us!:rocker:
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    His draft for us is horrible!

    17. Instead of: Prince Amukamara
    Give me: Anthony Castonzo, or Aldon Smith, or Mike Pouncey or Nate Solder

    28. Instead of: Benjamin Ijalana
    Give me: Gabe Carimi, or Phil Taylor, or 17. Instead of: Prince Amukamara
    Give me: Anthony Castonzo, or Aldon Smith, or Mike Pouncey or Nate Solder

    28. Instead of: Benjamin Ijalana
    Give me: Gabe Carimi, or Phil Taylor, or J.J. Watt depending on #17 pick

    I prefer A. Smith and J.J. Watt depending on #17 pick
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    I called going for a CB last week.

    In the Patriots' scheme, it makes sense if you can't find the DE or OLB who fills your needs. There are two stud CBs in this draft, and pairing him with McCourty--especially when Belichick refuses to flip his defenders from one side of the field to the other--is a good idea.

    I too would go with Carimi later in the first.
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    The mocks are still all over the place, which is no surprise. I've seen a couple of trends, one of which disturbs me.

    Pouncey getting picked up before the 33rd pick and, often, before the 28th pick is a trend I don't like seeing, but it makes sense with both Miami and K.C. really needing O-line help. On the other hand, either Leshoure or Ingram seem to be available at 33 quite often. That has me re-thinking draft order. I was originally thinking

    DE/OLB
    OLB/DE
    OG
    WR/RB
    RB/WR


    The mocks have me thinking a change might be in order*

    DE/OLB
    OG
    RB
    DE/OLB
    WR


    and a trade up to get a 5th second rounder would make that quite palatable to me.




    *Of course, Mocks are meaningless in the end, and I'll also probably change my mind several times between now and the draft, as events occur.
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    I agree that we need another CB but I think we could get one with #33 or #60. I think J Smith from Colorado is moving up draft baords and Prince A is moving down.
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    Prince would be difficult to pass up. This may indeed somewhat a test of whether Belichick really would take a stud at one position when there is more need elsewhere. My gut says that Belichick wouldn't pass on Prince if he dropped in our laps. The obvious alternatives are Smith, Kerrigan (remember him), Clayborn and Houston.

    With regard to Ijalana at 28, the main point is that bunting has an OT. Belichick or dante may indeed prefer Carimi. I tend not to have strong opinions when nailing down which particular player at a position would be drafted. So, if Light isn't re-signed (and that is the current assumption being made), I'm fine with an OT at 28 or an OG if Light is re-signed (Pouncey or the quickly climbing Watkins).

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    Smith could be the McCourty of this draft. A second round guy that quietly slides up boards and lands in the lower third of the first round.

    Without anything resembling a pass rush, we might as well draft more CB's as we will need them badly with QB's like Sanchez having all day to pass.
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    I don’t think there is a Mankins in this draft. So I don’t see G until #60 or later. I see RB end of 3rd or 4th round and don’t see WR at all unless for special teams.

    17 DE/OLB
    28 T/DE
    33 DE/OLB (more likely traded)
    60 G (love Moffit)

    I agree mocks are meaningless in the end but they are fun while we wait for the real thing!:singing:
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    If Prince were indeed the best value at 17, I'd be on board. But I can't see any guard in this draft being worth the #28. I guess if BB were to view Ijalana as an OT that would make sense....a little bit, but he'd be strictly OT, and I view him as strictly a guard.
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    I like Ijalana. From what I have read, he is thought to be a bit raw and unproven coming from a small school, but with tremendous upside. Dante could work wonders with him, IMO. I would rather take Aldon Smith at 17 than Prince in Bunting's version. If, hypothetically, the Patriots first 3 selections for 2011 went: (17) Aldon Smith, (28) Ijalana, and (33) Muhammad Wilkerson... I think they could be on track for a second consecutive good draft.
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    What's weird is Bunting has Prince rated as the 35th overall best player. Why does he think CB is such a pressing need that the Pats would pick him 17th? If anything, according to his board wouldn't they at least wait until 28 or 33??? Confusing.
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    The good news is that if Amukamara fell in our lap, its likely that BB's war room phone would be ringing off the hook. There would be plenty of options.
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    This might not be as arbitrary as it seems. Probably more often than people realize, guys who are good at LCB aren't so much at RCB and vice versa.
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    Just say "NO" on Castonzo.
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    If Prince falls to 17, then I could easily see BB trading back a few spots to let someone else take him and add a 2nd or 3rd round pick next year.
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    NFP is high on Ijalana. I liked what I saw of the player in a few games that I watched. But I really don't have him as a 1st rounder. Low 2nd to high 3rd is where most have him and I agree with that for right now.
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    I don't think CB is a 1st round need for us but I dunno landing a stud like Amakamura would make this defense a nightmare to pass on. I'd have to consider it. But I don't think he makes it to 17. We really need DE/OLB/OL with our early picks. We can add HB/WR, CB/FS a bit later say late round 2, early round 3.
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    I believe Bill Belichick was quoted as saying, "You can never have too many good corners."

    Here a few things that appear to be missing

    Too much is made of the pass rush for the playoff game. If Wright, Pryor, T Warren come back, that's a pretty good starting point for pressuring the QB from the Dline. Their status are important in determining the need for DE.

    The idea that some rookie is going to come in and go 15 sacks is not realistic. Don't get the, discount Cunningham but think a rookie will light it up, concept.

    TBC should be a situational pass rusher. If we can get the overall personnel to allow him into that role, we are much better.

    Against elite offense, the secondary is the key, not pressure.

    If you visit various Steeler websites, it would provide an interesting perspective on the limitations of blitzing and pressure against ELITE offenses.
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    Agree with this.

    A good pass rush can paw some kitty litter over the coverage-skill flaws of DBs and LBs, but it doesn't really make them better coverage guys. Even the best pass rush fails to get sufficient pressure a few times a game, thus exposing lack of coverage skills to exploitation even from a less-than-elite passing offense. It leaves you banking on the opposing QB screwing up or his pass-catchers screwing up or your coverage guys getting a good bounce of the ball. However, when those things don't go your way and the handful of failures of an elite rush results in a couple TDs on your less-than-elite secondary, what real difference did it make?

    Against an elite passing offense, you probably need both elite coverage AND a good pass rush. Plus, you probably need a D-line who can virtually eliminate the chances of success running on 3rd down on their own, without any help from your would-be pass rushers.
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    Unfortunately, there's only a couple Darrelle Revises out there who can cover a guy for 5-8 seconds. Outside of the truly elite, no db can cover a WR or TE for more than 4 seconds. If the pass rush can at least make the quarterback uncomfortable, move around a little bit, briefly take his eyes off his targets, knock him down occasionally, the secondary will do their job. That pressure just hasn't happened consistently enough in recent years. No pass rusher on the team requires help on a chip, let alone a double team, from the opposing offensive line. That needs to change.

    I mean, it's not kitty litter, it's the reality of the situation, with all the pass rules favoring the offense. When the QB has time to throw, and throw it where and when he wants to, a WR good enough to be in the NFL is going to lose his coverage/find a hole 90+% of the time.
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    The play where Sanchez redirects Edwards in the playoff game is the perfect example. Butler had the coverage for a solid 5 seconds and nobody was in Sanchez's zip code. That's not on the corner in that situation.
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    It seems to be a tradition that guys like Shaun Hill and Ryan Fitzpatrick have career days against us.
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