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    Time for another edition of Who the devil are we going to draft? Starring this week, the double whammy Safety and Special Teams (which can be anybody you think might help the team in that specialist role or someone who is so raw he can't make it at a position and so talented you can't say Devin Hester for your jaw on the table).

    Safety comes in two sizes, lumberjack and fencer. Lumberjacks are the guys who tend to line up across from Tight Ends because they have a little more lead in their pencil for dealing with guys who (in some cases) wrestle with DL and LB between pass routes. Fencers are big CBs with great ball skills and slow feet, they tend to hang back in deep centerfield and watch for fly balls to catch. There may be more to it than that, but it's the meat of the matter.

    Special Teams have specialists who kick the ball and usually one guy who hands it to them, more or less. They also apply to guys who may be listed as depth at one position or another, but just happen to be so good at specific "special" jobs that they are kept for those more finite talents. Examples are Gunners: really fast guys who race the punted ball downfield to see where it lands. They can often be found in the offseason working as spotters at rifle and archery ranges to improve their speed and dodging ability.
    Wedge busters: these are human bowling balls who live to see pins flying everywhere, they can be found rolling around in gutters during the offseason.
    Kick returners: Kind of like when you played fetch with your dog, you throw them the ball and they pick it up and make you chase them around to get it back.
    Punt returners: Similar to kick returners, they're more of the suicidal types, they fetch the ball, but do so racing head on into a crowd of ill intentioned ruffians.

    As always we have a look back in history:
    Week One - OC/OG: http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=51105
    Week Two - DL: http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=51395
    Week Three - OT: http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=51983
    Week Four - CB: http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=52730
    Week Five - LB: http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=53088
    Week Six - TE: http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=53310
    Week Seven - RB/FB: http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=53572

    Kicker (K or sometimes PK): Stephen Gostkowski
    Punter (P or in one recent case %&*%^$^BBF): Josh Miller, Danny Baugher, Tom Malone
    Longsnapper (LS): Lonie Paxton

    Safety:
    Rodney Harrison 6-1 220
    Eugene Wilson 5-10 195
    James Sanders 5-10 210
    Mel Mitchell 6-1 225
    Artrell Hawkins 5-10 195
    Rashad Baker 5-10 198
    Willie Andrews 5-10 195

    CB/S Tweeners:
    Randall Gay 5-11 190
    Eddie Jackson 6-0 200
    Chad Scott 6-1 205
    Antwain Spann 6-0 190
    Gemara Williams 5-8 185
     
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    Their converting Willie Andrews to CB. He was a Safety in college, though.
     
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    He played a bit of both, but more Safety I believe. Either way, a former Safety playing CB for Bill Belichick will find himself back there pretty quickly when there is a need.
     
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    Some notable ST candidates in the draft:

    PR/KR
    CB Leon Hall
    CB Darelle Revis
    CB Josh Wilson
    CB Michael Coe
    S Kevin Payne
    WR Ted Ginn
    WR Steve Breaston
    WR Chris Davis
    WR Ryne Robinson

    ST coverage/tacklers
    FB Deon Anderson
    SS Leonard Peters
    SS Michael Griffin - blocked 6 punts
     
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    Add:

    KR/PR
    CB Aaron Ross
    WR Chansi Stuckey

    ST coverage:
    Jon Beason
    Chris Houston
     
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    And add DE/OLB Brian Robison who blocked a number of punts too.
     
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    Time to bump this a bit:

    LS/LB Zach DeOssie - good coverage man.
    SS Craig Dahl - good coverage man.
    S/RB/P/KR Kevin Payne - 40.6 yds/punt, 21 yds/KR as senior; 28.8/KR as junior.
     
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    Hey, don't forget that Figurs from K State is the best gunner in college football (I've seen it repeatedly so it must be true). Given his wt/ht. ratio, he must be "wii-rey" (sorry just saw "The Replacements).
     
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    Thank you, Box, for putting a really bizarre image of Mike Wright in my head. :p

    Seriously, though, I could see BB taking DeOssie for his LB skills, and letting him LS too--although you do have to wonder why, despite BB's apparent disdain for having too many specialists, he reserves a roster spot for someone whose sole duty is LS. . . .
     
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    Your welcome! :D

    Perhaps some of the folks who attend Training Camp can fill us in on how much time Lonie spends working on his snaps with his two sidekicks (pun inadvertent and therefore allowed to stand and annoy others)? As I see it, there is a limited amount of time on the practice field, if Zach were drafted to be both LS and LB, how much time would he spend not working on LB material because he was longsnapping? That roster spot seems underutilized, but necessary to keep the exchange between snapper and holder, and snapper and punter, smooth and consistent (Dallas).
     
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    DT Paul Solaia, wedgebuster extraordinary, 6'4" 344.
     
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    Brannon Condren SS Troy 6-1 208 4.47

    Fantastic gunner.
     
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    Wasn't BB quoted as saying that, in essense, if you can only perform one task, then you better be one of the best at it?
    Paxton is one of the best, if not the very best, LS in football. However, I would also like to have my LS available as a backup C, FB, TE or LB. Didn't Garrett Mills and Dave Thomas long-snap in college?
    If an ILB, FS and CB have been drafted on Saturday, then I would give DeOssie serious consideration on Sunday, if he's still available at 127.
     
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    How many reps/practice does Lonie need to keep the exchanges between himself and Josh perfect? Practices last 90 min - 2 hrs each from what I've read. Each practice is choreographed ahead of time with players and coaches moving between activities quickly.

    I'm sure Russ Hochstein gets in a few practice snaps for punting and kicking/week, but as one of the alternate longsnappers, he also needs to work on his QB/OC exchanges under Center and from the shotgun as back-up Center. He also needs a few reps at OG to keep current there. If the game plan calls for him to take reps at TE as a blocker I imagine that takes some of his time. Not to mention if he was to also take FB reps again. And the times he's been a part of the wedge on KR.

    I don't doubt Dave Thomas and Garrett Mills take a few practice longsnaps on occasion to keep their hand in. But both would be involved in other Special Teams drills, not to mention TE & H-back, and if Mills is being groomed as a FB he'll need to work on the RB drills.

    Zac DeOssie would have a great deal to learn about LB, especially as you would expect him to be learning all four LB slots in time, plus the three 4-3 slots for those occasions when he's plugged in from that perspective. Not to mention KO coverage, KR, etc.

    We know BB prizes versatility and looks for players who can do more than one job on the field. We know he has longsnapping experience on the roster behind Lonie. Sometimes we scratch our heads and think Joe Football who was just cut would have been a valuable back-up on the roster and why does that one-note longsnapper remain around when others could also do his job? The only reason that comes to mind is LS/P exchange on punts and place kicks, BB must want those two to be in such harmony that they can make a smooth exchange in the foulest conditions. Odd duck that man, maybe he had a bad longsnap experience as a child? :)
     
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    I've grouped the Safety prospects into three groupings, players are listed in no particular order.

    2nd round Safeties
    Justin Durant, ILB, Hampton 6'1" 230
    Eric Weddle, SS, Utah 5'11" 203

    Middle round Safeties
    Josh Gattis, FS, Wake Forest 6'1" 206
    Sabby Piscitelli, SS, Oregon State 6'3" 224
    Kevin Payne, FS, Louisiana-Monroe 6' 220
    John Wendling, FS, Wyoming 6'1" 222
    Michael Johnson, SS, Arizona 6'3" 205
    Gerald Alexander, FS, Boise State 6' 210
    Andrew Shanle, FS, Nebraska 6'1" 212
    Fred Bennett, CB, South Carolina 6'1" 196
    Aaron Rouse, SS, Virginia Tech 6'4" 223

    Late round/UDFA Safeties
    Zach Catanese, FS, Arizona State 6'2" 225
    Chad Nkang, SS, Elon 6' 220
    Ryan Glasper, SS, Boston College 6' 212
    Jay Staggs, SS, UNLV 5'11" 214
    C.J. Wilson, CB, Baylor 6'1" 195
    David Lofton, FS, Stanford 6'4" 212
    Willis Barringer, FS, Michigan 5'11" 208
    Will Gulley, FS, Houston 6'3" 222
    Leonard Peters, FS, Hawaii 6'1" 210
    Jessie Daniels, SS, LSU 5'11" 216
    Melvin Bullitt, SS, Texas A&M 6'1" 201
    Craig Dahl, SS, North Dakota State 6'2" 216
    Brannon Condren, SS, Troy 6'1" 208
    Rashad Barksdale, SS, Albany (NY) 6' 208
    Andre Kirkland, SS, Kent State 6' 204
    Patrick Ghee, SS, Wake Forest 6'2" 210
    Tristan Burge, SS, Eastern Illinois 5'11" 209
    Jon Corto, SS, Sacred Heart 6' 208
    Geoff Bean, SS, Colgate 5'11" 210
    Adam Hayward, OLB, Portland State 6' 235
    Matt Muncy, ILB, Ohio 6'1" 242
    Daren Stone, SS, Maine 6'3" 218

    -------------------------------------------Special Teams---------------------------------------

    Long Snapper
    Jared Retkofsky, LS, TCU 6'5" 265
    Nick Leeson, LS, Virginia Tech 6'2" 255
    Aaron King, LS, Texas-El Paso 6'1" 239
    Brett Goode, LS, Arkansas 6'1" 232
    Reserve Long Snapper
    Greg Olsen, TE, Miami 6'6" 254
    Zak DeOssie, ILB, Brown 6'5" 250

    Place Kicker
    Brian Wingert K Northern Iowa - Career 60-of-79 field goals (75.9 percent) while also making 151-of-157 PATs (96.2 percent). Good production over 40 yds.
    Darren McCaleb K Southern Mississippi - 11/30/06 - All-Conference USA Third Team: Senior kicker Darren McCaleb, the school's all-time field goals made, percentage and points leader, hit 14-of-21 field goals this season and all 36 extra point attempts, scoring 78 points to lead the team. He hit a career long of 50 yards against Southeastern Louisiana and hit as many as six in a row during the season.
    Brandon Pace K Virginia Tech - 11/29/06 - All-ACC Conference Second Team: Brandon Pace led the league in field goal accuracy and scored 86 points. The senior from Virginia Beach, Va., is 17-of-18 on field goals and 35-of-37 on extra points this season.
    John Deraney K NC State - Ranks seventh in school history with a 40.9 yard career punting average, sixth in career punting yards (5,398), tied for seventh with 132 punts ... As a placekicker, ranks 11th in scoring with 146 points, seventh with 28 field goals made, ninth with a .667 connection mark, tied for sixth with 62 PATs and tied for first in PAT percentage (1.000) ... 85 of his 181 career kickoffs have been touchbacks, including 26 of 54 last season.
    Mike Barrow K Idaho - Injured for 2006. 1st team All-WAC w/21-23 XP, 16-19 FG, 7-8 40+, long 53; P 43-1811-42.1, 13 in 20-2 TB, 4 FC, 1 blocked in 2005.

    Punter
    Daniel Sepulveda, P, Baylor 6'3" 229, Career 45.24 avg
    Adam Podlesh, P, Maryland 5'11" 202, Career 43.1 avg
    Adam Graessle, P, Pittsburgh 6'5" 215, Career 42.55 avg
    Brandon Fields, P, Michigan State 6'5" 239, 2006 43.3 avg.
    Kody Bliss, P, Auburn 5'11" 179, Career 43.87 avg.
    Ryan Dougherty, P, East Carolina 6'1" 230, 2006 43.65 avg.
    Reserve Punters
    Kevin Payne, FS, Louisiana-Monroe 6' 220, 2006 40.6 avg.
    John Deraney K NC State, Career 40.9 avg.
    Mike Barrow K Idaho 2005 42.1 avg.

    Gunner/Coverage: Defensive players are not listed, the offensive players have at least one solo tackle or blocked kick to get listed.
    Jason Hill, WR, Washington State 6'1" 204
    Sidney Rice, WR, South Carolina 6'4" 200
    Johnnie Lee Higgins, WR, Texas-El Paso 6' 186
    Aundrae Allison, WR, East Carolina 6' 198
    Mike Walker, WR, Central Florida 6'2" 209
    Jacoby Jones, WR, Lane (TN) 6'3" 210
    Paul Williams, WR, Fresno State 6'1" 205
    Courtney Taylor, WR, Auburn 6'2" 204
    Chris Davis, WR, Florida State 5'10" 181
    Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee 6'2" 214
    Yamon Figurs, WR, Kansas State 5'11" 174
    Laurent Robinson, WR, Illinois State 6'2" 199
    Dallas Baker, WR, Florida 6'3" 208
    Rhema McKnight, WR, Notre Dame 6'1" 211
    Chansi Stuckey, WR, Clemson 5'11" 197
    James Jones, WR, San Jose State 6'1" 207
    Jemalle Cornelius, WR, Florida 5'11" 184
    Joel Filani, WR, Texas Tech 6'2" 211
    Legedu Naanee, WR, Boise State 6'2" 225
    David Ball, WR, New Hampshire 6'1" 196
    Matt Trannon, WR, Michigan State 6'6" 216
    Syvelle Newton, WR, South Carolina 6'1" 218
    Aaron Fairooz, WR, Central Arkansas 6'6" 209
    Roy Hall, WR, Ohio State 6'2" 229
    Jerard Rabb, WR, Boise State 6'3" 201
    D'Juan Woods, WR, Oklahoma State 6'1" 208
    Jarrett Hicks, WR, Texas Tech 6'3" 210
    Brian Leonard, RB, Rutgers 6'2" 226
    Antonio Pittman, RB, Ohio State 5'11" 207
    Tony Hunt, RB, Penn State 6'2" 233
    Lorenzo Booker, RB, Florida State 5'11" 191
    Michael Bush, RB, Louisville 6'2" 243
    Kolby Smith, RB, Louisville 5'11" 220
    Jackie Battle, RB, Houston 6'2" 235
    Kenneth Darby, RB, Alabama 5'11" 211
    Ronnie McGill, RB, North Carolina 5'11" 213
    Jon Cornish, RB, Kansas 6' 206
    Nate Ilaoa, RB, Hawaii 5'9" 245
    Jason Snelling, FB, Virginia 5'11" 230
    Le'Ron McClain, FB, Alabama 6' 256
    Dane Todd, FB, Nebraska 6' 235
    Greg Olsen, TE, Miami 6'6" 254
    Zach Miller, TE, Arizona State 6'5" 256
    Ben Patrick, TE, Delaware 6'3" 252
    Kevin Boss, TE, Western Oregon 6'7" 252
    Matt Spaeth, TE, Minnesota 6'7" 270
    Michael Allan, TE, Whitworth 6'6"255
    Clark Harris, TE, Rutgers 6'6" 261
    Jonny Harline, TE, BYU 6'4" 248
    Dante Rosario, TE, Oregon 6'3" 244
    Brent Celek, TE, Cincinnati 6'4" 255
    Daniel Coats, TE, BYU 6'3" 257
    Anthony Pudewell, TE, Nevada 6'4" 250
    Dan Murray, TE, Connecticut 6'5" 256

    Kick Returner: Listed players have at least one KR in college.
    David Clowney, WR, Virginia Tech 6' 188
    Anthony Gonzalez, WR, Ohio State 6' 193
    Johnnie Lee Higgins, WR, Texas-El Paso 6' 186
    Jacoby Jones, WR, Lane (TN) 6'3" 210
    Paul Williams, WR, Fresno State 6'1" 205
    Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee 6'2" 214
    Yamon Figurs, WR, Kansas State 5'11" 174
    Chansi Stuckey, WR, Clemson 5'11" 197
    Brandon Myles, WR, West Virginia 6'1" 189
    Steve Breaston, WR, Michigan 6'1" 193
    Ryne Robinson, WR, Miami (OH) 5'9" 179
    Jemalle Cornelius, WR, Florida 5'11" 184
    Syvelle Newton, WR, South Carolina 6'1" 218
    Syndric Steptoe, WR, Arizona 5'9" 194
    Drisan James, WR, Boise State 6' 193
    Tony Hunt, RB, Penn State 6'2" 233
    Kenny Irons, RB, Auburn 5'11" 203
    Lorenzo Booker, RB, Florida State 5'11" 191
    Michael Bush, RB, Louisville 6'2" 243
    Brandon Jackson, RB, Nebraska 5'10" 210
    Garrett Wolfe, RB, Northern Illinois 5'8" 186
    Jackie Battle, RB, Houston 6'2" 235
    Selvin Young, RB, Texas 5'11" 207
    Jon Cornish, RB, Kansas 6' 206
    Clifton Dawson, RB, Harvard 5'10" 214
    Matt Spaeth, TE, Minnesota 6'7" 270
    Dante Rosario, TE, Oregon 6'3" 244
    Brent Celek, TE, Cincinnati 6'4" 255
    Daniel Coats, TE, BYU 6'3" 257
    Julius McClellan, TE, North Carolina Central 6'4" 246
    Jonathan Wade, CB, Tennessee 5'10" 195
    Josh Wilson, CB, Maryland 5'9" 189
    Daymeion Hughes, CB, California 5'10" 190
    A.J. Davis, CB, North Carolina State 5'10" 193
    Travarous Bain, CB, Hampton 6' 182
    Corey Graham, CB, New Hampshire 6' 195
    DeAndre Jackson, CB, Iowa State 6' 193
    Kevin Payne, FS, Louisiana-Monroe 6' 220
    John Wendling, FS, Wyoming 6'1" 222
    Zach Catanese, FS, Arizona State 6'2" 225
    Chad Nkang, SS, Elon 6' 220
    Geoff Bean, SS, Colgate 5'11" 210
    Tuff Harris, CB, Montana 6' 195

    Punt Returner: Listed players have at least one PR in college.
    Anthony Gonzalez, WR, Ohio State 6' 193
    Johnnie Lee Higgins, WR, Texas-El Paso 6' 186
    Aundrae Allison, WR, East Carolina 6' 198
    Jacoby Jones, WR, Lane (TN) 6'3" 210
    Paul Williams, WR, Fresno State 6'1" 205
    Chris Davis, WR, Florida State 5'10" 181
    Robert Meachem, WR, Tennessee 6'2" 214
    Yamon Figurs, WR, Kansas State 5'11" 174
    Rhema McKnight, WR, Notre Dame 6'1" 211
    Chansi Stuckey, WR, Clemson 5'11" 197
    James Jones, WR, San Jose State 6'1" 207
    Steve Breaston, WR, Michigan 6'1" 193
    Ryne Robinson, WR, Miami (OH) 5'9" 179
    Jemalle Cornelius, WR, Florida 5'11" 184
    Syndric Steptoe, WR, Arizona 5'9" 194
    Drisan James, WR, Boise State 6' 193
    Kenny Irons, RB, Auburn 5'11" 203
    Lorenzo Booker, RB, Florida State 5'11" 191
    Selvin Young, RB, Texas 5'11" 207
    Ronnie McGill, RB, North Carolina 5'11" 213
    Kevin Boss, TE, Western Oregon 6'7" 252
    Leon Hall, CB, Michigan 5'11" 193
    Darrelle Revis, CB, Pittsburgh 6' 204
    Michael Coe, CB, Alabama State 6'1" 190
    Ryan Smith, CB, Florida 5'10" 174
    Brandon McDonald, CB, Memphis 5'11" 181
    Corey Graham, CB, New Hampshire 6' 195
    Tim Mixon, CB, California 5'9" 188
    Marquice Cole, CB, NorthWestern 5'9" 191
    Kevin Payne, FS, Louisiana-Monroe 6' 220
    Eric Weddle, SS, Utah 5'11" 203
    Rashad Barksdale, SS, Albany (NY) 6' 208
    Geoff Bean, SS, Colgate 5'11" 210
    Tuff Harris, CB, Montana 6' 195

    PK Holder
    Brad Ekwerekwu, WR, Missouri 6'4" 209
     
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    Box: Thanks for the list.

    Obviously I realize you put the Ks there just for completeness' sake, but, seriously--if the Pats draft a K this year, I will almost certainly start breaking expensive objects. :mad:
     
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    I ignored the Ks projected by NFLDraftScout.com to go before round 7/FA, and then only Wingate of those I listed was given a shot at being drafted in round 7. Basically, these are all kids with big legs (good percentages over 40 yds), one of whom I would expect to be invited to work with Brad Seeley and Gostkowski over the summer to improve his chance of landing in the Pros and give Gostkowski a rest.
     
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    Mr. Box: I noticed that Auburn's Will Herring was not listed with the Safeties.
    Are you stacking him as an OLB?
     
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    CJ Gaddis will likely transition to FS/SS in the NFL. I think he could make a very good FS, actually.
     
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    No, let this be a cautionary tale of the dangers of late night draftnikking! :eek:
     
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