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  1. AzPatsFan

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    Bill Belichick put off rebuilding his WR corp as long as he could. He chose to retool instead with veterans. This was based on the success he had with Welker and Moss.

    Unfortunately, these receivers seem to have had commodities, that most receivers don't possess. Both Talent and Brains.

    No one wil ever say that Randy Moss is a mental giant, but in comparisons with his WR peers, he does. He shared other traits common to them as well, unfortunately. Randy has a DIVA personality that would appear periodically. It is a common trait for the Divas of the WR fraternity.

    I attribute that to being a pampered athlete, forgiven for most common human failings, and never really held accountable for his actions, throughout his youth, because of his athletic fame and prowess,along with no requirement ot be able to think.

    When BB tried to retool with other veteran WRs, many simply couldn't read, or understand and comprehend the complicated option passing Offense that the Pats operate.

    So when Belichick decided to add youth to the last remaining "oldster" squad on his Team, he added a stipulation to himself and the scouts. The WR candidates must have brains as well as athletic ability.

    He would eliminate the brainless from consideration. That meant that Tavon Austin with his magnificent 7 score on the Wonderlic, and Cordarrele Patterson with his stupendous 11 Wonderlic eliminated themselves from consideration. His experience with the brainpower of Ocho with his 10 on the Wonderlic, underlined that the results would not be satisfactory.

    He selected Aaron Dobson with his 20 Wonderlic, a relative genius level score amongst his WR brethren. Then he bypassed many other athletic but not brainy candidates in the third round, before selecting Josh Boyce a speedy, tough guy who is a complete WR anomaly. This WR had graduated already from TCU, and was attending Graduate School in his Senior season!

    He chose these to accompany his young veteran import, Danny Amendola who posses a rare score for a WR of 27 on his Wonderlic, as the Troika on which to rebuild the Patriot's WR corps. Donald Jones is reputed to be pretty smart too.

    I'm willing to bet that there will be few stories written about how "difficult" or "slow to absorb" the Patriot option passing game, this new WR corps is.

    It all makes sense now, doesn't it.









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    Overall, like the post, but I'm not into this recent trend (and the beat guys the last few weeks were all about it) of using the Wonderlic as a true test of either intelligence or football intelligence. It's obviously not a test of football IQ, and it seems like it tests knowledge more than intellect, so all you are reading into is how well a guy has recently been educated, not their potential intellect.

    If you spent a day teaching these kids the basic math & reasoning that they would face on the Wonderlic, and then saw how well they did, then you would learn a lot more about their intelligence, and ability to learn + retain information.

    That aside, it seems like everyone is crediting Dobson with having football smarts. Boyce, too. Moe, very much. I can see that guy sticking, even if he is purely a slot receiver, and Amendola obviously has that spot carved out for him. This WR group, overall, projects to be very versatile, which is something McD has had his sights on.
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    These days, Wonderlic prep and practice is typically part of an agent's basic services. So the scores are already something of an upper bound.
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    I agree with what you wrote. I wonder if the coaching staff needs to reevaluate the read-defense, react/change your route passing game. Veteran defenses do a good job of disguising and mixing up their coverages, which can lead to the QB and WR/TE not being on the same page.
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    A high football IQ is required to be successful with Brady in this O.

    This is something that Branch, Moss & Welker had in common. Amendola, and the 4 rookies in camp seem to fit that mold. We shall see this summer.

    I have considered that BB may have been trying to put Brady out of his comfort zone by removing his binky Welker, forcing him back into going to the open guy style, instead of forcing balls to Welker as we saw at times during the playoffs.
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    You could have someone who is intelligent with a poor education who would do poorly on the wonderlic, IMO a 3 month cram course would be a big help.

    Moss scored poorly on the wonderlic test but clearly was an extremely smart football player.
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    That's a good point, and something I hadn't thought of.

    But I still think the Wonderlic is largely overrated when it comes to worrying about who can grasp the Patriots offense.
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    I think it's a misconception that Brady was "forcing balls to Welker" against the Ravens. The reason those balls were going to Welker in that spot is two-fold...

    1. Gronkowski was injured.

    2. Welker was the only WR on the field that day consistently beating press.

    Given those two reasons just stated, that's why the ball was going to Welker as often as it was. He was the only guy that Brady could expect to be in the place he needed Welker to be, when he needed Welker to be there.
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    I guess it is nice that they are 'bright' and fast but I think that there are many other characteristics that are important such as toughness and clutch.

    IMO the Patriots WRs are in the bottom 3rd of the league based on talent but will produce at a higher rate because of the system and QB. They will need to become playmakers in the playoffs.
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    I think that Bill O' and BB have taken Brady's WRs that he was already comfortable with at the same time he drafts receivers and brings in Amendola for a reason.

    Brady REALLY favors and looks for receivers he trusts. It is very hard for anybody new and especially new and inexperienced to break in. By removing some trusted targets it gives people like Dobson and Boyce a chance to get a few more opportunities not only to see the field, but to gain Brady's trust.
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    I agree that the wonderlic test has nothing to do with football IQ, but the wonderlic test is not based on knowledge. I took a wonderlic test for the university I'm going to. When I took the test I had about a 4th grade level education and I managed to score a 29. The test is set up to test reading comprehension and processing speed.
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    I remember a time when Brady just threw to the open receiver and didn't force passes.
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    When Lloyd and Welker and one healthy TE are your 3 receivers, you throw to them, even if it SEEMS that you are forcing it to them.

    If Brady truly has several targets, he will spread it out more.

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    Yeah, it really sucks how historically explosive our offense has been in the last six years. :rolleyes:
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    If the 2 rookies (Dobson/Boyce) can work out well with Brady, then, this offense would be hard to stop, even more so than the past 3 seasons and more importantly, the playoffs, because it can attack all parts of the football field.

    So many weapons, you got Dobson and Boyce on the outside, Amendola in the slot, Gronkowski stretching the seam, Hernandez being lined up everywhere to create mismatches and Vereen catching passes from the backfield.

    Not to mention Jones, Edelman and Ballard for depth.

    But the most important things are health and how fast the new guys (Amendola, Dobson, Boyce) can get acclimated with Brady.
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    This isn't that far off from the truth. With this QB and system, you'd think there'd be some higher profile receivers to get in tandem with. They instead hope to develop mediocre talent into standout wides.
    "Building the new WR corps"? I don't sees no stinkin' receiving corps.
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    You mean a "name" receiver, or a a super-athletic receiver considered the cream of the draft crop? Say, Brandon Lloyd, Donte Stallworth, Chad Ochocinco or Chad Jackson?

    There just isn't a silver bullet. I've seen no clear correlation between a receiver's previous reputation in the rest of the league and success with Brady. Moss was a hugely talented but troubled star whose career was in sharp decline. Welker was a nice little player, but not necessarily worth the picks the Patriots threw away on him. Gaffney was a street FA picked up off the scrap heap. Meanwhile Lloyd came in with the highest level of fan expectations of any vet receiver in memory. :confused2:
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    I'd be much happier having Lloyd and his decent production back -- that gives he rookies a buffer. If one or both surpass Lloyd -- awesome. If only one performs at a starter level, then we have two outside receivers. If both fail, we have effectively have last year's offense.

    Without Lloyd, the rookies must succeed or the offense will be worse than last year.
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    To be quite honest I'd prefer to throw them into the fire. It'll force the team to work on the rookies - I can easily see Brady ignoring the rookies by week 3 and throwing at Lloyd instead.
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    He certainly has more targets this year.. the whole, "shut Wes down and Lloyd then the two TE" days are far gone. Just not that easy anymore for defenses, which they could barely do that to begin with. Now you bring in more talent, younger talent, faster and stronger talent with better hands and more versatility? Please, this is the most toys Tom might have ever had, since 2007. These rookies at WR that we drafted have more skillset, potential, smarts, instincts, raw ability, route running and hands and then we've seen for rookie NE receivers since David Givens and Deion Branch, IMO. Not to mention, if star WR Danny Amendola can stay healthy and Donald Jones can flourish in our system with our great Coach and QB then the sky is the limit
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    Wow. I'm speechless.:eek:
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    Don't be like that.

    she was OBVIOUSLY giving the 'DAY OF' the acquisition analysis for each of those guys. The point was the ultimate success or failure of each of the WRs COULD NOT BE PREDICTED based on their prior success or lack thereof at their previous homestead.
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    You had me until that last line. There are a lot of things that will dictate this years success. If we have better luck than last year we could easily be better without them being anything decent role players.

    -Gronks health
    -Hernandez's health
    -Ridley's growth
    -Vereen's growth
    -If Amendola can play outside the numbers better than Welker

    People also forget a few other things.

    -Even when playing in the beginning of the year, Gronk looked like he was clearly hurt and looked a step slower. Gimme touchdowns were incompletions and he just didn't look right. He played what appeared close to 100% for maybe one or two games.

    -Hernandez came back from his injury early because of Gronk and we couldn't afford to give him proper time to heal. He never came close to 100% after he got hurt

    -Welkers game directly negates the effectiveness of Gronk and Hernandez since he occupies the same space that they are best in.

    -We had a new OC who had never had any single TE close to the talent of Gronk and Hernandez and has always been a big time WR spread offense guy. The play calling didn't get any better until about 3/4ths through the season and there were still some WTF drives.
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    Agreed! I dont know what people are worried about with this O group. Its already been broken down. Plus the whole point is to spend money wisely. This O will be this O and even if they take a small step back, it would still be a great O. Addressing the needs on the D is what this team desperately needed.

    I will take less O from this team and more D any day. We need to get back to winning Lombardy trophies not putting up Madden/Fantasy Football numbers.
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    I agree with your general thoughts for sure.

    One thing to keep in mind is that Amendola already has experience in the JMcD offensive system, so that's a huge plus right there.

    At the moment our WRs consist of Amendola, Dobson, Jones, Edelman, Boyce, and Jenkins. We could also see some of Holmes in TC/preseason to potentially give a push to the others (maybe), and I'd have to guess that we'll still be bringing in at least one more WR who is a casualty from TC/roster cuts too. Keep in mind that we all had countless conversations that were absolutely pointless about Belichick's initial group of WRs in the spring, with all of the "Gonzalez, Ocho, Gaffney, and Stallworth will SURELY make the 53 man roster" talk....I expect the WRs that are here now to show us a better glimpse towards the real roster due to the draft picks this year as opposed to last year, but I also wouldn't pencil all of these guys into their slots. There will almost definitely be some additional player(s) brought in for competition, and anything can happen to improve the situation from now until the end of August.

    If we're just talking about the position of WR alone, I honestly have no reason to believe that it shouldn't be an upgrade from last season's corps of Welker......and the other bums of Edelman (21 catches), and Branch (16 catches). The key obviously will be trying to either replace or spread around the production lost from Brandon Llyod, as Welker has been swapped for Amendola and should be able to put up 3/4 of his production in my opinion.

    As you point out, once we get to the "real" first and second receivers of Hernandez and Gronkowski, along with Vereen and L.Washington contributing in the flat passes/RB screen game, the offensive situation looks much more promising...but I honestly don't feel nearly the concern about just the WR position alone as I did pre-draft, and I expected it to look much better at the end of April.
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    Your talking about the same O that has always come up a little short in big spots in each of our playoff losses dating back to the 2006 AFCCG, right?
    I just want an O that doesn't play like the early 2000s Colts: records in the regular season and recoils in the playoffs.
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    I think the addition of the WRs who can play more of an outside game, along with the committment to the running game again should help to offset this problem this year--even though I firmly believe that the health of Gronk was a big factor.

    As much as I agree with your statement, the same can be said for the defense, who averaged giving up less than 15 pts per game in 7/9 of the playoff/championship game stretch during our 3 SB wins.

    I want a D that doesn't give up 33, 28, and 28 in our last 3 home playoff losses, along with 2 crucial backbreaking last minute TD drives of 85+ yds in the last 2 Super Bowl losses, and 3 late game consecutive TD's in the most recent AFCCG. I think that is the most important aspect. We can't continue to put the weight of the world on Brady's shoulders. We need to be able to win playoff games while still "only" scoring 20-23 pts at the same time.
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