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    Ray Lewis 1637 tackles 33.5 sacks 28 ints 2 for TDs 12 forced fumbles 1 SB win 6 seasons with a losing record 7-4 playoff record

    Bruschi 1134 tackles 30.5 sacks 12 ints 4 for TD 18 forced fumbles 3 SB wins one season with a losing record 16-6 playoff record


    If Ray Lewis is the best LB of this era than why isn't Bru considered a Hall of Famer????
     
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    Re: Bruschi VS Ray Lewis

    It's not really apples for apples since one played predominantly in the 3-4 and was asked to do a lot more then seek out the ball carrier. Which is why he won't be considered.

    Ray was much better in coverage down the field but Tedy was great underneath.
     
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    Lewis has 500 more tackles. That is 38 more tackles a season. That is significant. He also has 16 more INTs for his career. Those aren't small statistical numbers even with both guys playing 13 years.

    I think Bruschi's place in NFL history is way underrated, but comparing him to Ray Lewis is going a little overboard.
     
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    I'm with you on that. "Hall of Fame" is not the same as "Hall of Raw Talent" or "Hall of Better Stats". Sure, Tedy benefitted from playing in New England, but so did Bradshaw and Swann for Pitt. I'm glad we had Bruschi instead of Lewis all these years. No contest IMO.
     
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    Hmm. As much as I love Bruschi, but I think if you asked BB which 'backer he'd rather have, he'd pick Lewis.
     
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    I don't think he'll say Lewis. Lewis is obviously a better player but BB can't say that after Bru gave the Pats 14yrs . BB also doesn't know the intangibles Lewis brings to the table.
     
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    Agreed. Tedy was very good, certainly belongs in the Patriots Hall of Fame. Lewis is something else altogether, one of the game's all time greats. We can honor Tedy without overrating him.
     
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    Guys I wasn't trying to say Bru was better that wasn't the point. The point was to compare him to arguably the best of this era.


    Tackles is a subjective stat but such a big difference is significant....yes he 16 more ints but caused 6 less fumbles for net difference of 10 turnovers. When you add in that Ray was allowed to roam free a lot more than Bru it is food for thought. Not Saying Bru is better but compare him to the best in the era and add in his winning ways and he looks a lot more like a hall of famer.
     
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    Bruschi: raised millions of dollars to help save lives

    Lewis: Murdered at least one guy.
     
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    Lewis is one of if not the best LB to play the game.

    I don't really think the sentimentality angle would factor in too heavily to a guy like BB.
     
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    quick search of Mike Singletary shows 19 sack 7 INTs but i couldn't find tackles or forced fumbles
     
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    Bruschi was solid for us. A great story. An overachiever. A likable guy. But he's no comparison to Ray Lewis. Lewis is a game-changer, a force, someone who had to be gameplanned around. He's a sure-fire Hall of Famer. Bruschi, like Troy Brown, is not.

    From the Patriots Super Bowl era, IMO the only lock is Brady. And maybe Harrison. Law's got an outside shot. The only current Patriot other than Brady might be Seymour, if he continues to be solid for quite a while. Wilfork has potential down the road. Corey Dillon might get "Jim Riced" out due to his attitude, troubles, and disdain for the media.
     
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    Bruschi played in Five Superbowls, that might be his HOF ticket. Not many players can say that I think Charles Haley has the record with 7.
     
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    Gotta take Lewis. Granted, I think by playing in a 4-3 helped Lewis a little with the # of tackles, but still, Lewis is of not the best ILB of all-time.

    Is Bruschi in the top 10. I think so.
     
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    I love Bru as much as the next patsfan, but........ no, SBB.
     
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    Perfectly put. Couldn't agree more.
     
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    teddy played four seasons after having a stroke. ray lewis cant say that. to me that's teddys greatest accomplishment.
     
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    That likely is Bruschi's greatest accomplishment, but I don't see how that has anything to do with Ray Lewis. Of course Ray Lewis can't say that; he did not have a stroke. That really makes no sense. Bruschi was a great Patriot, and should be remembered as such.

    Ultimately, whether he should have made more, Bruschi played in 1 Pro Bowl. He will not make the Hall of Fame with that. That should not change at all the great memories we all have of 54 anchoring the middle of the defense for so many years.
     
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    Honestly, the Pro Bowl is a popularity contest. And the writers have begun to recognize it as such.

    When people look at the Stats and their accomplishments, people are going to see Bruschi with the 5 SB appearances and pause to think about it. It will also force them to re-evaluate Bruschi's time. Much like they had to do with Andre Tippett. In the end, who knows if Bruschi will be considered a Hall of Famer. In my book, he's been one since the day he stepped back onto the field after his stroke.

    Gonna Miss You Tedy...
     
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