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On NFL Live, Bruschi said the transition is under way for the 4-3 defense with Mayo making plays
i am sure he is just saying that to throw off the Bills.
Personally I think the Pats are moving to the 3.5-3.5.
Yup. Also, when he made his SB pick, he picked NE over NYG. Woodson (who picked NYG over SD) called him a homer and he chuckled and agreed...but then Tedy said that he was basing that not on the offense, but rather the D, and expected Wilfork and Warren to really step it up.
Intersting. Very interesting. Or he's just feeding into my need to believe that BB has some defensive shock and awe up his sleeve that nobody suspects! Whichever! Something has to get me through until Monday night!
It would make sense.
How many teams in the NFL have now attempted to make this transition since the Patriots won three SBs? 10?
Nose tackles, hybrid defensive ends/ OLBs, all of these players are now much more difficult to get at a good value.
Once again, the joke's on the rest of the league. While everyone rushes to play catch up, the Patriots will be switching to the same defense that these teams had two years ago, and they are now struggling with their transitions.
Probably be two months before the Jets attempt to switch back to the 4-3 because that's what Belichick's doing.
Kinda like they did in the later half of 2001 when Bruschi emerged as a pivital leader at MLB. Imagine that. That D was suffocating as I remember.
p.s. BB in his WEEi spot this week talked about that period (although not about his plans this year) and he says that the D that was used from game 10 on in 2001 was predicated on the play/skills of the MLB and Bruschi's emergence that year allowed them to go in that direction. He talked about it only being possible based on the leadership at that position.
btw, the way that BB has talked Mayo up this offseason, and the fact that he was named as D caption seems pretty significant and telling. What position does he play again?
People will be surprised.
Does anyone know if Pryor and Brace are better suited to the 4 - 3 than 3 - 4?
The only drawback to this for me is I have to get used to playing 4 - 3 in Madden haha.
Bruschi is a smaht dude...This De is going to be sick. Talent up and down the roster and people just want to point at what is gone but Wilfork, Warren, Mayo, Thomas, Bodden, Merriweather to anchor the De and guys like Green, wright, Guyton, Springs, Whilhite, Sanders to round it out and the rooks to back up and potentially step it up. looks good to me.
No! It's all just preseason posturing. The Pats are just practicing for the 4-3. They'd never switch from the 3-4!
(anyone who has read my posts in the last month knows I'm joking)
Furthermore, after watching the Steeler/Titan game last night, and seeing the middle/inside linebacker blitz the qb and getting the sack, I can just see Jerod making similar plays.
I have a feeling Mayo will be blitzing a lot this year.
Team sack leader in 09 unless AD starts in on a tear.
That would be ok, too.
Going from the 3-4 to the 4-3 is a fairly nominal change if the Pats keep the gap scheme the same.
I wonder if the Pats are going to a scheme more like the Jags use, with the two interior lineman playing 2-gap, and the two ends playing a more traditional rushing role.
Makes sense, the way the offenses are using predominantly 3+ WRs, trying to create room for the backs by spreading out the defense as opposed to powering over it.
I would say they're better suited for 4-3 simply because that's where they played in college.
I don't think BB is ever going to go full time in one defense or the other. I think the 4-3 may be more prominent this year, but there will still be elements of the 3-4 sprinkled in to the game plans.
Once we sign Adam Seward, Belichick will unveil his "1" defense...
Adam Seward playing all defensive positions, and making his own calls.
I don't know how much 4-3 we will run this year. I am fairly certain that what defense Brace and Pryor played in college is irrelavant to the decision. Last I heard they aren't starters. If they are starters, then we have indeed dismantled our defense to start again.
Just answering the question, not drawing any conclusions from it.
I think if you look at the front 7 players on the entire roster, you will find more players who are better fits in the 4-3 (Jarvis, Burgess, Wright, all the rooks) than the 3-4 (Woods, TBC, Warren). However, for the majority of the players the front shouldn't matter. So I fully expect to see both defenses used as a "base".
In switching to the 43, the Patriots open up a ton of potential for their defense.
They have the option to two gap. Before I get in too deep here, let's think about what their starting 43 will look like. Burgess, Warren, Wilfork, Green. This is backed by (Will to Sam) Guyton, Mayo, Thomas. Look at that on paper and think about it. That would be regarded as one of the best front 7's in the entire NFL. Nevermind two of the best two gappers in the league flanked by highly capable ends. The tandem of Warren and Wilfork is vastly superior to Henderson and Stroud, who were regarded as the best interior tandem in the NFL not too long ago. While they two gap, it will enable the linebackers (remember: all of which are sub 4.6 guys)to pursue and get after the football freely and unobstructed. Our linebackers in the 43 set are flat out the best in the league on paper.
They also have the option of one gapping. In the one gap scheme, they shift Wilfork to the three tech, allow him to get after it, and attack the LOS with a myriad of looks. This will enable their best defender to become their focal point, and will clearly create unmitigated chaos behind the LOS. While I am as staunch a proponent of the 34 as there will ever be, this team in the 43 will revert to 03 defensive form. I never thought that I would say this, but I'm dying to see the 43.
I wish I understood the 43 more. Everyone says that makes Mayo utterly fearsome. Why in the 43 as opposed to the 34?
In the 3-4, Mayo takes on a guard like a DT does.
......... and correct me if I'm wrong the current set up (paper-wise), probably is stronger then the 2003 4-3 set up of Hamilton, Washington, Sey and Willie up front and Phifer, Bru and Vrabel at LB..... (which I beleive was the base).
Though, we're probably weaker in the back...... okay... almost certainly weaker. Still, I don't get why everyone thinks our D will suck this year. Like you, I'm pretty pumped with the potential.
Actually it is called the 9-9-9 where everyone rushes up the field (blitzes) at the same time.
In the 4-3, there are less LB clutter which means what LBs are in there are utilized for speed which plays to the strengths of Guyton and Mayo, especially in open field tackling.
Also Mayo will have more blitzing responsibilities in the 4-3.
I'm really intrigued by what might happen this year. BB is one of the best defensive coaches in NFL history. This year, he alone (no Pioli) will get all credit/blame for what transpires on defense. The defense has been totally revamped (more then 2002) and we all know what 2003 produced. Has a BB defense ever been this young and athletic? Might take some time to jell, but I'm on board and anxious to see what happens.
I'd love to see some disruptive antics by the D-Line this season. I'm more exciting about the defense than the offense as I simply don't know what to expect until I see 1/4 of the season.
Have felt all along, with what seems to be a drastically improved D backfield, there will be more pressure on the QB.. last years group was piss poor, and making this better will have an effect all the way around.
Monday night cannot come soon enough.
Thats the thing. Pats had excellent cover guys & ballhawks in the backfield who could cause opposing Qbs to hestiate slightly and allow Mac, Vrable, Sey and others apply pressure.
One gap would only be a once in awhile call, not a base. BBs defensive philosophy begins with 2 gap discipline.
I dont know where the LBs are going to run to the ball unobstrcuted because they will have 2 gap duties.
The biggest problem a 43 base creates is rushing the passer, particularly on playaction. Since we only play base on about half the plays, and a lot of them are 1st downs, defending playaction is a huge issue. How are we going to expect any pressure out of that DL 2 gapping? The 34 includes the critical component that the 4th rusher is an OLB who wont have to engage a blocker to slow down his pass rush.
All things considered its not so much which alignment our personell is better suited for, but the fact that a 34 is a much more effective alignment in a 2gap system.
But, if you take your 43 and stand up Burgess, you have the same defense in a 34 alignment. However you have stood him up and gotten him off the T, shfitng your DL.
Personally, I think we see Woods instead in the base, because his run stopping ability is more needed, and AD becomes the 5th rusher instead of Burgess. You can also switch up who rushes which you couldnt really do with Burgess on the field.
In our system, the diference between 34 and 43 is more alignment than personell.
We were a 34 team in 2003.
Hamilton-Washington(Warren when he was out 1/2 the season)-Seymour
Vrabel(Chatham when he was injured)-Bruschi-Johnson/Phifer-McG(Colvin before he was injured)
all due respect, we had Law. OTIS then Poole were never players I would call excellent cover guys and ballhawks. Our safeties have never been 'excellent cover guys' with the possible exception of Wilson.
I think our secondary is going to be the best we have had since we last won a SB.
I think Wilhite, Wheatley, Butler are the plan to develop the best secondary in the BB years, but Bodden and Springs are here to mitigate the inexperience issues. Every player has a different learning curve and different reaction to experience. I think Bodden and Springs are expected to play anywhere from 100% to 0% depending on those 3 getting on the field as much as the earn, and make BB believe he is comfortable with. Sort of a fallback plan in reverse.
At safety, Sanders fits the mold of the kind of safety BB has liked for 30 years. Meriwhether is one of the best cover safeties in the NFL.
I don't know whats not to like about our secondary, other than the stats from practice games where the guys who will play in the regular season where rarely out there, and almost never as a complete unit.
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