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  1. weswelker#83

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    Their goal was to have 3 teams from the same division into the playoffs


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    Or NaPolian wanted his good friend, whom he shares a seat with on the dubious Competition Committee, to make the playoffs.
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    I hope this has legs. That was a pretty ghetto move by Dungy to not call TO. Just think of the children!

    But look at it from Indy POV -- who would you rather have in the playoffs: a plucky Browns team that can put up points; or a team that could BARELY win a game you were trying to intentionally lose.
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    By the precedent set by Goodell take a First rounder.

    Don't have one ?

    Take a First next year, and the year after too!

    Afer all, its only fair and consistent with precendent. And oh, don't forget the fine(s). :bricks:
  5. weswelker#83

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    From Colts standpoint, benefit of Titans making it are: 1) If they play well and beat SD, they wouldn't have to play SD and they'd have the physical/dirty Titans soften up/injure Patriots in the divisional round or 2) If they lose to SD, they play physical/dirty with SD and soften up/injure SD players and would then play a weakened SD at Indy. Not saying this is what happened but there is possible motive.
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    Apparently the Titans could have also went for a field goal instead and the Colts would have been down by 9 ... buch of sour grapes to me. you have all season to make the playoffs. Then, your season comes down to someone else losing a game ... if that's the case you don't belong in the playoffs anyways.
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    well said, maybe beating a pathetic Cincinnati team, would have been a much better option then to lose to them and hope the colts do you a favor and beat the titans...
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    The browns haven't said they are going to, this is getting drummed up by the media again. All they are saying is that the browns COULD file a grievance. It doesn't say they DID or WILL. I think this is how half this stuff starts...I'm not singling you out, but people just don't read.
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    Wow, not so great at reading comprehension, are we? This is a Patriots board, not a Browns board. They're the ones with the complaint. We're just pointing and laughing at you. Aren't you used to it yet?
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    I agree here ... there are a few weaklings on this board seeking every scandal possible. Like Belichick says "it's in the past" ... fans need to listen to coach more often and get a thicker skin.
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    I am disappointed with your generous assumption of basic comprehension skills by trolls whose IDs clearly reveal their inability to come up anything rational or logical or amusing :D
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    Listen it's news and it was brought up ! The fact that some forum users jump on it is natural, is someone going to tell me that the Colts or any other teams forums wouldn't jump on anything said about that Patriots.

    Granted, I could less about this, the Browns blew it and the Colts helped bring in a weaker team, fine with me. But too jump on Pats fans in this forum that get a little excited about something like this is simple minded and insecure.

    Anyway, this dweeb (Arrr) hangs around in this forum more then most of us, I see him lurking 24/7, I mean thats one sad fool, but we all need entertainment :rocker:
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    You are SO right, Arrrr !

    When the fix is in on Park Avenue (at NFL hq)
    it is thorough ... consistent ... and durable.

    Never let it be thought that the league ever wavered or welshed
    on its commitment to enshrine the Indy Angels.
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    The Patriots are punished for trying to gain an advantage in the regular season using a camera. The Colts will get off for throwing a game that will gain them an advantage in the playoffs. I don't care if the Colts play their backups but discussing it together is a concern.
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    I don't think the Browns will file a grievance because they know that Goodell will not doing anything involving members of the competition committee like Dungy and Fisher.
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    How do you know troll?
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    No, you assumed when Jeff Fisher went into spin control and said he merely read his old friends mind (LOL) as opposed to the backup QB who answered the question he was asked by saying they had communicated, was telling the truth because that's what you need to believe.

    And as for the rest of you anti whiners who just don't get it, the issue isn't whether the Browns should have taken care of their own fate - it's whether or not there was some form of collusion involved in an NFL game that just also happened to determine a playoff spot.
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    You are missing the point. Neither coach acted logically in that end game situation...

    Dungy chose not to use a timeout when using it would likely have changed the situation from a sure loss to an improbable chance at a win. Why would Dungy do that?

    Fisher chose to kneel 3 times when the situation called for running plays on the first 3 downs. Titans had 1st down and 1:54 remaining. If Indy used its timeout, Fisher knew he could count on 2 0:40 runoffs (playclock after second and third down). That left 34 seconds. He had 4 plays to kill that time...a little over 8 seconds a play. Kneel downs are the worst possible way to kill that time. In fact, I can never remember a time when a team takes a knee unless they can kill the clock for a half.

    Fisher may have suspected that Dungy wouldn't take the last timeout...but he would be lessening his team's playoff chances on a hunch. Why would Fisher do that?

    Both coaches acted in ways that were counter to the best interest of their team winning. If there was no collusion, then you have to ask yourself why both of them would act this way. The actions weren't arbitrary so there was some thought process with some definable benefit that lead to that ending.

    If there was collusion, that would be a devastating blow to the competitive integrity of the NFL. Because the Titans may have lost this game and let the Browns in the playoffs? Of course not. Because it brings into question the other times when collusion may have occurred. Wins that save a coaches job? Allowing a player to set an all-time record? Keeping a game under the spread to cover a bet? It is a slippery slope.

    Also, what is the payoff for the collusion? Donations to a pet charity? Favorable trade conditions on draft day? A promise to return the favor?

    If you say there was no collusion, you need to explain why both coaches acted illogically at the same exact time. If you say there was collusion but it is no big deal, you are fooling yourself. The league should get Dungy and Fisher behind closed doors and threaten them with severe penalties if anything like this happens again.
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    You hit the nail right on the head.

    Nothing will come of this, however. Sadly this detracts from the integrity of the game. Not because the Colts did not try to win but because there seems to be some verification that a "conspiracy" took place.

    Did this have any impact on the final outcome of the game? Not likely. Does it surprise me? Not even. Dungy's a media darling, so this will have the halflife of the RCA Dome Audio Enhancement "Scandal".

    It's best not to dwell. Some people can do no wrong, in the eyes of the establishment, whilst others can do no right. Complaining about it just gives the whiners more to whine about.
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