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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070120/ap_on_re_us/katrina_brown

    Political storm clouds gathered again over the federal government's response to Hurricane Katrina as former Federal Emergency Management Agency Director Michael Brown said party politics influenced decisions on whether to take federal control of Louisiana and other areas affected by the hurricane.

    Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said the partisanship Brown described was "disgusting," while a White House spokeswoman said Brown was making "false statements."

    Brown told a group of graduate students Friday that some in the White House had suggested the federal government should take charge in Louisiana because Blanco was a Democrat, while leaving Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, a Republican, in control in his state.
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    "Unbeknownst to me, certain people in the White House were thinking, 'We had to federalize Louisiana because she's a white, female Democratic governor, and we have a chance to rub her nose in it,'" he said, without naming names. "'We can't do it to Haley (Barbour) because Haley's a white male Republican governor. And we can't do a thing to him. So we're just gonna federalize Louisiana.'"
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    Well, I can tell you, as some one who has lived in the New Orleans area most of my life, except for the time I was in the Navy, and when I lived in NYC for a while back in the 90's, that Kathleen Blanco is an incompetent moron. This state is way worse shape than it was when she took office in Jan. 2004. She had "deer in the headlights syndrome" LONG before Katrina ever happened. In fact, it is very, very likely she gets voted out of office this November. She is in way over her head as a governor. I, personally, don't care for one party or the other (I am an independent). I think BOTH sides of the isle are nothing but self serving aristocrats that think they are "better" than us "peasants". So, I hold both in EQUAL disdain. I don't know the ins and outs of all the behind the scenes happenings of Katrina, but I can tell you Katrina was an utter failure on ALL aspects (federal, and especially state and local levels even more). It was also a failure of citizenry as well.


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    If that Katrina Hurricane had hit up in the Appalachin Mts instead new Orleans and the victims were all poor whiteys who are still out Possum Hunting for Xmas dinner this story would have been forgotten the day after it happend.

    The Katrina story is pure Racism, (against whitey).
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    I advise anyone who discusses Katrina in here to be careful of their words so as to not be branded a racist by the usual suspects.

    Katrina was a prime example of the welfare state mentality that is quickly consuming the mentally challenged populace of this country. If idiots are relying on the government to come save the day, then their plight is no one's fault but their own. The government failed the simpletons from top to bottom, but the simpletons failed themselves by relying on the government, and not themselves.
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    Yeah, they should have gotten on a plane and got out of there when they heard the storm was coming. I'm sure they had the money for that...
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    of course... these people were baffoons for not packing up the SUV and driving north with the fam to their retreats on the lake in Arkansas... of course, all they had to do was leave the area.. easy...
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    #15 Jersey

    I especially liked the simpletons who walked across the bridge to get away and were met by police with guns drawn ready to fire. If there is nothing to hide, why has Lieberman decided not to fully investigate?
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    Yeah well, maybe the politicians could have used those buses that were sitting in flooded parking lots to get people out? Nah... Heck, once the flooding took place, most did a good enough job of looting neighbors houses and area stores. Again, you and your buddies can rely on the government to come save you when the power goes out, but I certainly won't.
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    Investigate what?
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    I don't know why the politicians weren't using the busses, but that certainly sounds like part of the problem. Despite our opinion that people should be responsible for their own actions, the government (at all levels, not just the federal government) represents itself as being capable of helping people during a disaster, so it's not surprising people rely on it. If the government were clear that it doesn't provide disaster relief, and wasn't spending tax money on FEMA and equivilant state agencies, I'd agree with you. But these people were given an expectation that wasn't met.
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    I disagree. People are ultimately responsible for themselves. The problem is that the welfare mentality of our government, and of society, has pushed the onus of accountability on everyone but the individual. The gross failure of all levels of government, and FEMA, is a prime example of this. People aren't talking about eliminating the massive budgets of these organizations, nor are they discussing how the individuals failed themselves, instead they've moved to pass more blank check government bailouts, and have moved to figure out how to improve FEMA, as opposed to how to destroy it. Remember, politicians want you to have to rely on them. Your doing so makes them more and more important.
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    Then I think you and I agree on the problem (the government failed to do what it said it could do) and the solution (the government should promise less, tax less, and make people be responsible for themselves more).
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    WEATHER BULLETIN

    Up here, in the Northern Plains, we just recovered from a Historic event--- may
    I even say a "Weather Event" of "Biblical Proportions" --- with a historic
    blizzard of up to 44"inches of snow and winds to 90 MPH that broke trees in
    half, knocked down utility poles, stranded hundreds of motorists in lethal snow
    banks, closed ALL roads, isolated scores of communities and cut power to 10's of
    thousands.

    FYI:

    George Bush did not come.

    FEMA did nothing.

    No one howled for the government.

    No one blamed the government.

    No one even uttered an expletive on TV

    Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton did not visit.

    Our Mayor did not blame Bush or anyone else.

    Our Governor did not blame Bush or anyone else, eithe r.

    CNN, ABC, CBS, FOX or NBC did not visit - or report on this category 5
    snowstorm. Nobody demanded $2,000 debit cards.

    No one asked for a FEMA Trailer House.

    No one looted.

    Nobody - I mean Nobody demanded the government do something.

    Nobody expected the government to do anything, either.

    No Larry King, No Bill O'Rielly, No Oprah, No Chris Mathews and No Geraldo
    Rivera.

    No Shaun Penn, No Barbara Striesand, No Hollywood types to be found.

    Nope, we just melted the snow for water.

    Sent out caravans of SUV's to pluck people out of snow engulfed cars.

    The truck drivers pulled people out of snow banks and didn't ask for a penny.

    Local restaurants made food and the police and fire departments delivered it to
    the snowbound families.
    Families took in the stranded people - total strangers.

    We fired up wood stoves, broke out coal oil lanterns or Coleman lanterns.

    We put on extra layers of clothes because up here it is "Work or Die".

    We did not wait for some affirmative action government to get us out of a mess
    created by being immobilized by a welfare program that trades votes for 'sittin
    at home' checks.


    -From an Emergency managment responder in Colorado
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    The "Bush Haters" "The Liberals" "The Politically Correct" they don't give a sh!t about all those "HONKIES IN THE SNOW"

    JESSIE & AL DON'T LIKE SNOW (can Jessie Jackoff ski)?
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    Yeah, let's all become survivalists and return to the hunter-gatherer lifestyle. As a matter fact, even in that lifestyle, you still have tribes that try to care for the whole. Let's get rid of those tribes, too, lest people forget about personal responsibility. We're an advanced society and because of that we have different specializations, and there's no way for us to prepare for every contingency. If you get sick, you yield your personal responsibility to a doctor. If you're caught in a category 5 hurricane, you yield your personal responsibility to experts, too. If you're financially destroyed and have nowhere to turn, you yield some of your personal responsibility to experts who can help you find a way out.
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    Huh? What are you talking about?
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    Search my previous post for the phrase "individual responsibility" and see if you can figure it out. Good luck.
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    What Patters is saying is perfectly clear. If you guys are in favor of "people taking care of themselves", why don't we get rid of the police? Just have a military to protect our borders' integrity, and let everyone fight it out for themselves.

    Is it because there IS a time and place for the government to step in? Granted it should be much less often than is now the case, but it's not always about helping yourself.
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    Never allow the Government to "Assign You A Doctor" and never allow the Government to tell you who to live with.

    "Mr Gorbachev, Tear Down This Wall", the people that those socialist communist bastards erected that wall to force their way of life on tore that wall down with their bare hands.

    Does anybody ever buy a rubber boat from Wal Mart down in Florida and try to "Sneak Into Cuba"?
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    #75 Jersey

    Different culture within one country. Folks in the plains are much more hearty than those in the gulf states.

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