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    Big head is coming to town. I wanted a snow storm but doesn't look like it.

    D is going to have a really tough time. If Dennard/Talib can't go. They will have to get in a shoot out. Arrington will be the key IMO and that's scary
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    Looks like it's going to be up to our D-line to put pressure on Manning. Maybe Chandler Jones will have the best game of his career.
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    Why is everyone discounting this team. You are all chicken littles. We just moved the ball on the top D tonight really well. Scored some good points on them. Had we not fumbled, or made a bonehead penalty, we at least have 6 more points to that 20. We ***** the bed tonight. Even though we got screwed, we were the loser tonight. We didn't play well enough to win.

    But the o line is definitely and issue going forward. If scar can't get them even remotely good, we will keep $hitting the bed on good Dlines.


    The defense, did look bad, but what happened was no pressure. That's the problem. No D can let cam have all day, then scramble and get guys open. We need pressure. That can help the D immensely.
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    I am certainly not going to be discounting this team. Two of our losses ended in controversy. The offense looks significantly better and Gronk/Vereen are difference makers. Defensive injuries are the major problem. If anyone can win with a defense this depleted by injuries it's the Patriots.

    Granted the Broncos are going to be a pain in the arse, but hopefully without Welker. We need pressure on Manning though or it will inevitably be a shoot out. It might be even with pressure. Trying not to think of this game at the moment. I'd prefer to drain some more beers and numb this!
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    I can't speak for anyone else, but I know for a fact that I am normally much closer to a homer than a chicken little. I try to be very reasonable and I consider myself a realist.

    The way I see it is that the only real chance that we have with the 2013 team is to somehow get the 2nd seed and first round bye. That should enable us to have a good shot at making the AFCCG. Other than that, we have waaaay too many injuries on defense. We're now down to 5/11 starters on defense in a year where we are basically rebuilding on offense, and have some issues on the offensive line etc.

    I thought this team was like our 2006 team. Lots of issues but a lot of heart and a possibility of going 12-4 and making it to the AFCCG. It seems like we're closer to the 2005 or 2009 teams though, at least in my opinion.

    As far as the rest of the season (post DEN game which I fully expect to be a loss), we should have a shot at winning the last 5 and hopefully getting some help to be in the running for the 2 seed and first round bye. If we end up losing one of those last 5, that will leave us at 11-5 which is probably going to be the 3 or 4 seed this year with IND and CIN battling for the number 2. I hardly think the season is over, but losing Talib (again) and not knowing the severity of Dennard is not looking too good. That leaves us down 3/4 of our starting secondary now with Gregory set to miss another game or two at best. That leaves way too many holes and forces guys like the rookies and Cole to have to step up, which is an obvious problem.
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    The issue is that we've been in this position now for many years in a row.

    No pressure at all. NONE whatsoever.
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    I'm going to the game with two Pats fans...and a lady GB fan...and another lady Dallas fan...they hate the Pats but they hate Denver more...weird, I know...nice girls but I'm glad they're with my buddies...already lived in football hell with a Cowgirl....without Welker, I wonder what the storyline will be??
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    today's game was big loss wrt to playoff seedings. now indy holds the tie breaker and cincy is just 1 game behind and i dont think indy's schedule is that hard anymore.
    Our D is as patchwork as it gets decimated across the board. Dont know how we stop the broncos offense. Pressure will be huge on our offense to be perfect.
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    I think because newton was running crazy they had to bring a line gap pass rush I think chan jones was the only guy they let free cause he his the talent to get after newton,

    but even with that said im not looking for them to get to manning to much if KC could not get to him I don't see more then a chan jones sack vs Manning and not much pressure at all cause they will be on there toes all night in zone not rushing more then 4 and even 3 at times
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    If Talib, Dennard and Gregory (probably not?) are healthy I'll feel significantly better. Though they haven't been bad IMO, I can't stand the idea of Arrington, Ryan, and Harmon trying to stop Peyton Manning.
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    Secondary health is a HUGE concern -- Dennard out tonight, Gregory out tonight and surely for the Broncos, Arrington gimpy tonight with a chronic issue, Talib gimpy tonight with a chronic issue.

    Of course, Welker is a great health concern for the Broncos' receivers. At this rate, maybe the Broncos will play Champ Bailey at receiver, and the Patriots will have Julian Edelman covering him ... oh, wait, Bailey is Doubtful himself.
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    That defense is worse than pittsburgh's defense.
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    Vereen will have 100+ receiving yards against Denver.
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    I married into a family full of Cboy fans, and am forced to watch my poor wife go through hell every week with that crazy ass-backwards team. It's just out of respect for her since she supports my team too. My life is either watching NE practically wear my heart out every week, or watching the dysfunction of the Cowboys...or many times, both.
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    Bengals/Browns 11/28/04 and its 106 combined points is on notice.
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    Gregory isn't going to play in 6 days. He obviously won't be practicing this week. He's scheduled to miss what they deemed as a "few weeks," although one of them was a bye. Tonight's game was his first missed game, so the thinking is that it'll be at least 2-3 games before he returns. Hopefully it can be in time for the game at HOU.

    Dennard's situation is way up in the air. He apparently had a knee injury where he couldn't practice last week, so I think he's about 50/50 to play vs DEN. We'll know more this week obviously.

    Talib's situation is touch and go for the rest of his damn career
    . Even if they say he may play vs DEN in 6 days (which is probably doubtful since of the shortened week), he can have his chronic grandpa him flare up at ANY given time. As we saw tonight vs Steve Smith, he isn't the same anyway and is obviously either rusty, hurting, or both. I have a hard time imagining how he'll successfully cover Demarius Thomas even if he does play.

    The reality of the situation is that we'll likely be depending upon both rookies in Ryan and Harmon, along with Marquice Cole, and....hopefully Arrington (he's been really banged up too, and re-aggrevated his injury tonight). If we're able to get just ONE of Talib/Dennard back I will be very, very happy. Our secondary isn't looking too good, and I think we dropped the ball a bit by not bringing in one more player earlier in the year. Just my opinion though. It's Belichick's team and his record speaks for itself. I just think we left ourselves a bit thin. A vet safety or CB would've been a good security blanket in my opinion.
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    If Talib and Dennard are out for Denver, I'm sorry but we have no shot. I really don't even like our chances if ONE of them is out. Either scenario is very likely.

    Talib couldn't finish the game. I'm sure his hip is going to be a problem coming down the stretch. He clearly wasn't very effective tonight. I know Talib is typically better against the bigger receivers than the shorter/shiftier ones...so that could've been part of the problem. Either way, we are DEPLETED on D going against a ridiculous offense.

    IF Dennard and Talib are back, we've got a good chance. Peyton got the ball out very quick this past week against a very good pass rush. He makes it virtually impossible to get to him when he does that. We're going to have to play good man to man (with Dennard and Talib) and then disguise what we're doing in the middle of the field with some mix of zones/man.

    I think we can move the ball and score on Denver but I just worry that we won't have the horses to be able to fairly match up in the secondary.
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    You keep saying that JMC00. I hope you're right about this one.

    I tend to agree that DEN is limited on defense in some way, but I'm not sure that I see them quite as awful as you do. I'm thinking that we should be able to score in the high 20's at worst. The question is how much DEN will score.

    One thing I absolutely can't stand is seeing our team lose in back to back games. One loss at a time is difficult enough. With our inability to get pressure, one has to wonder how much Manning will pick apart those mismatches.
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    - Weak o-line

    - Can't get to the QB if life depended on it

    - Defense murdered with injuries

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    Our only hope is Brady and his arm
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    Wouldn't surprise me if Gregory is out there.
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    My concerns exactly.

    I know that most of us are hoping that they'll be down Welker, but the situation of Julius Thomas is also extremely important. He is really a very important player over there. I think a lot of that tends to go somewhat unnoticed at times. I actually believe that this particular year he is more important than Decker is.

    If J.Thomas plays too, we will really have our hands full to say the least. If KC and their all pro-bowl defense (I counted at least 8 or 9/ 11 that I'd love to have on our team) can't stop Manning, then I have a hard time seeing how we will, especially with all of the issues with injuries.

    I am hopeful for a good stretch run down the last 5 games though. We may need some help to try and get that #2 seed.
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    He's got a cast on his hand.

    It would surprise the hell out of me. Tonight's game was the first one that he missed out of a scheduled couple/few.

    If he couldn't practice on Saturday, what makes you suddenly think he'll be able to practice on Wednesday or Thursday in a cast?
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    I actually think that McDaniels does a great job myself.

    I did think that it was terribly important to come away with a TD when the score was tied at 17 with about 6 min left though; especially with the way that our defense was playing as a whole.

    Throwing on 3rd and 1 when our running game was so effective was a bit strange, but I can understand it. What I can't understand was the particular playcall. I would have much rather have seen some kind of slip screen, bubble screen, or even a bunch to one side with a pick.

    Other than that, I like JMcD and think that he's great. Actually, I wouldn't want anyone else.
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    That we have a losing record on the road is certainly reminiscent of 2009. Truth is probably somewhere closer to the middle.

    It's certainly to our advantage the AFC is so weak. Even with another loss (or possibly even two), I'm not sure we'd need *that* much help getting the #2 seed. Indy & Cincy have both looked atrocious at times; their worst football has been at least as bad as ours, and I don't see either team winning out.
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    11-5 may get us the bye and the two seed.

    I agree with you that we shouldn't need "much" help from losses with IND/CIN, and I think it's within reach, but we obviously won't control our own destiny. It's never good to put your destiny in another team's hands, as we've learned before.

    I think the biggest concern is that the defense is rather piss poor a lot of the time, and that the offense isn't as good as it has been in year's past; which has helped to cover the defensive problems up. We don't have that luxury as much anymore this season.

    At one point Ian tweeted that we had once again allowed a ridiculous 3rd down conversion rate, as CAR had gotten 8/11 third downs. I'm not sure how it ended up, but our third down defense has been atrocious this year since the injuries to Wilfork and Mayo took place. That is totally unacceptable. I'm sure there will be some who claim that our defense did things well etc, but I'm just not really buying it anymore. Every team has some things on defense that they do well. The bottom line is that we didn't produce a turnover, we allowed the QB to scramble for major yardage, we didn't get ANY pressure at all, we missed plenty of tackles, we committed some very horrible penalties that were extremely costly, and we did not do a good job of defending the pass. Had Newton been a "real" capable throwing QB who doesn't tend to miss easy throws, we'd have been killed out there.
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    You know, if it's all backups and rooks (and a gimpy Arrington) in the secondary, I wouldn't be shocked to see them roll back out that aggressive blitz-heavy plan from the Dolphins game.
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    Our weak secondary (that is even MORE banged up and weak) will get carved up like the Thanksgiving day bird by the Giant Forehead. All that while Brady is running for his life because of our anemic OL....the only thing that will change things is if Gomers brothers ankle gets worse and he can't play or is not effective..otherwise I could see us lose by 2tds+
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    The Peyton Manning yellow flag parade is coming to town and with the way Denver games and Pats games have been called this year then...yeeaaaaah there's going to be a lot of iffy (at best) calls coming.

    With the sheer number of injuries the Pats have too, I don't care how many injuries the other team has because there is no way any other team in the NFL is down as many starters as the Pats. So with that, I don't care if they beat a teams best lineup or a load of 3rd stringers.

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