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    I read on several Minnesota online newspapers on how Minnesota wants to start serious talks with Brett Favre if and when he decides to leave NY or retire again :rolleyes: - The Jets would have to give Green Bay 3 first round draft picks if they simply trade Brett to Minny which will never happen so the Vikings are in wait to see what happens there

    If Brett decides to stay in NY or stay retired (yeah,right) - then Minnesota is reportedly interested in Cassel as thier only 'alternate' choice and depending on what NE does it could mean some type of trade (player or draft or a combo)


    Its apparent that Minny badly wants one of the AFC East QBs to be thier starting QB in 2009 - Which one it will be may be decided by Favre and the Jets

    IF NE does franchise Cassel and do a trade with Minny could you see maybe Darren Sharper and a low round pick from Minny or something like that in return? - I like Sharper and he would make a great addition to this team but I doubt Minny would get rid of one of thier better secondary players for a trade of a still unproven QB outside of NE but stranger things have happened.
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    Am I missing something or do these GMs need mental help. Why would Minny go for FAvre and retard the team development and especially a long term QB solution.
    Do these people really think he still has it or are there other factors such as tickets sales, etc..

    If I were a GM he would be my last option.
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    Minny is dumb, but not that dumb to go after Favre.

    They have a strong defense and stud RB. They should pull the trigger for Cassel, who is better than any QB prospect coming out.
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    From what I read,apparently they ARE that dumb!

    It could be simply they want the rivalry between the teams (Minny/GB) in that division to heat up drastically next season and maybe some prime time on those games

    However that won't help thier QB situation or thier hopes of making the playoffs as Favre may give Minny more media coverage but won't help them with wins
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    I think Cassel is a perfect fit for that Philly style offense in Minnesota. Here's their latest speculation :

    "Meanwhile, there is growing speculation that the Vikings are considering making a serious bid on New England quarterback Matt Cassell, who could have the one-year, $14.65 million franchise tag slapped on him by the Patriots."

    Access Vikings: Blog Archive Favre, Vikings talk continues
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    He's such a marketable product that I swear Brett Favre will haunt this NFL forever.
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    Sharper and a low round pick for Cassel? Do you really think Belichick is that stupid. Sharper will be 34 before the end of next season. What does he have 1-3 years left in him? Cassel can get the Pats a first round pick and they could use it on say William Moore who could be the Pats franchise SS for the next ten years. Yes, a first round pick is a gamble, but Sharper pushing 34 at the start of the season isn't exactly a lock to be a Pro Bowl player anymore.
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    I think the Vikes are one of the better options for the Patriots. I think a team with too high of a first rounder like the Chiefs will shy away from parting with their first rounder. A team with a later first round pick like the Vikes may feel compelled to add a third or fourth rounder to sweeten the pot for Cassel.
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    Favre is exactly the kind of QB that the Vikings don't need. I almost hope it will happen, just so that I can watch a couple of games where they dominate the game on the ground, win the field position battle, stop the run, set themselves up for a win, then give it all away when Favre throws some inexplicable and boneheaded interception.

    What the Vikings need is a smart QB who won't make stupid mistakes that counter all of the team's strengths. Cassel fits the bill, but it looks like they might be more concerned with having a recognizable name to get people to come to the stadium next year than winning.
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    JSn says, "google+matt cassel=neverending headlines." Matt Cassel is a recognizable name. Not that Brett isn't, but over the last year it's a name attached to a lot more good feelings and hope for the future than Favray, and he's being discussed in more news articles at present than Brett is.
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    This hot beef stew was first concocted by Brett's right hand man Peter King, Peter threw this spew out there to see if it could gain legs, trying to do his good buddy Brett a favor with the Minnesota media and fans. Well Peter, it worked ! The Pioneer Press got a hold of your concoction and peeled it off the wall and ran with it. Now this freakin assanine premise is gaining legs and I'm pissed. Yes, Minnesota and Childress are that freakin stupid, yes they would turn away the better, younger QB to save themselves a draft pick and turn to this 49-year old washed up has-been. That's why they'll always be the Minnesota Vikings. For our sake and for their sake, I really hope they are not that stupid.

    More of it today from the Minny Star Tribune:

    http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2455
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    I don't completely disagree with your point, but to the casual fan, Favre is a much, much bigger name than Cassel, and it isn't even close. Intelligent football fans understand that Cassel gives the Vikings a better chance to win, but Favre is a name that will draw in more people that wouldn't otherwise show up.
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    PLEASE Brett.... stay with the Jests. We need you. We love you. Don't go away man!
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    i agree with you robo. we just have to hope the market for cassel booms. the more teams involved in negotiations the more we will get, obviously. if there arent great offers though, id have no problem keeping MC. hes pretty good. we can just wait till next year and get just about the same compensation
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    Its not bad if they still believe that Tavaris Jackson could mature into a QB. Another year to learn with Favre splitting time; and then take over for real in 2010.:(
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    December 2, 2039
    MINNEAPOLIS (AP) - The ghost of Brett Favre allowed twelve fumbles through his non-corporeal fingers in the Vikings' 78-10 loss to the Los Angeles Lions today. Favre, who required a special waiver of the league's anti-ectoplasm rules to sign with Minnesota, is on pace to smash single-season records for both fumbles and jersey sales.
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    LMAO exactly:rocker:
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    Favre had the Jets at 8-3 before he got hurt. Fans may forget that, or choose to ignore it in their zeal for attacking the guy, but most teams are smart enough to understand the significance. Unlike a lot of people here, I'd much rather the Jets get stuck with Clemens under center than see Favre return.
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    The original statement doesn't make sense. If Favre retires and decides to come back, the Jets own the rights to Favre. The only way the above could happen is if the Jets released Favre. If Favre comes out of retirement, the Jets can trade him to anyone they want or keep him.
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    I wonder what Chad Pennington plans on doing next season?

    As far as the Jets giving up 3 1st round picks, I don't think that is still part of the trade deal with the packers being that it is now year 2 of the deal, I could of course be wrong.

    I would of thought that Brett would of had surgery to repair the detached muscle in his shoulder if he wanted to come back.
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    And the team was winning on defense. Even his 6 TD game was because the defense caused Warner to turn over the ball 5 times. You look at the games this year even before the last five games when he blames an injury for his poor play and you can only find three, maybe four games where he played well. Favre had a mediocre to average season and continued his ways of making costly mistakes.
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    Favre's hype outweighs his actual performances. He's far from a bad QB, it's just that he didn't get his nickname "Lord Favre" without reason;)

    And he's proven to be eminently marketable,even more so that PManning (jmo tho).

    His back-and-forth retiring drama's become a joke even among players,for ex. Rodney's comment and Warner's most recently. He dug that hole himself too,which is unfortunate for him. But regardless of all that, he's still a commodity.
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    Favre had 5 games with a rating over 100, including 3 games in a row, which included the Patriots and Titans, just before his injury, and another game with a rating above 90, over the course of 11 games. He had his team at 8-3, despite coming in late and having to work his way into everything. After hurting his arm, his numbers plummeted, and he had 5 straight games with a passer rating under 62.

    If people would stop letting biases get in the way, it would help with analyzing the game.
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    IIRC part of the trade from GB to the Jets was to prevent any straw man transactions or hanky panky subsequent trades to prevent Brett from ending up in the NFC North so a provision was put in there that if he played for either Det, Minn or Chi in '08 or '09, the Jets owed the Packers 3 first rounders. That gave the Jets an incentive to keep him or trade to someone who would (if the Jets f.o. were smart) accept that provision on themselves if he ended up at one of those teams. If it's enforceable and actually in the contract, the Jets can't simply release him without putting their future drafts at risk...
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    Even if it was, it is only the Vikings. You could trade him to any other team. It's a non-issue IMHO. The Vikings would be putting all their money on a lottery ticket.
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    Link?

    As far as I know the terms of the trade were not made public, all we can do is speculate. I speculate that the Jets can cut Favre without the loss of any draft picks.
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    No one is saying that cutting Favre will immediately cost the JEST picks. What people are arguing is that the Packers--both knowing that Favre had requested "If I can't play for you, let me play against you", and not wanting to do so--designed the contract such that the JEST would take on the responsibility of making sure that didn't happen.
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    I won't argue with that.
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    In the Jets' defense, who could have ever predicted that a 39 yo QB would have arm issues late in a season that would affect his performance?

    Just because after he turned 35 and turned in back-to-back years of low 70 ratings, low TD, high int, career low YPA...and then followed that up with a single year of solid stats...who could have expected that he would throw up a low 80 rating, low TD, high int, low YPA year with the Jets?

    And now who would ever have imagined that he would waffle on retirement, hold the Jets hostage and prevent them from moving forward with preparing for the 2009 season?

    Some things just come out of nowhere without any warning or explanation...
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    No, They can release him - They just can't trade his sorry ass.
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