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  1. Uncle Rico

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    Way-too-early 53-man roster projection - Extra Points - Boston.com

    Pretty good list and explanations; factors in Special Teams a lot, which makes sense.

    Has Warren not making it, Holt barely (needs a strong showing). Throws in the towel on Ohrnberger, Wheatley, Crable. A lot of love for the '10 picks.

    Sticks with status quo at RB, but he wouldn't be shocked if Paschall bumps Law Firm. Has the Eric Alexander era ending; he's been OK but I still have nightmarish visions of him chasing Dallas Clark downfield in that AFCCG.
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    As good as any at this point. I wonder a bit about about the 5th RB this year, though. Granted that seems to be the league's most injury-prone position, but it's also one of the most fungible and easy to plug in.
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    That's an excellent point about fungibility. Fumble-itis could also be a factor. :)
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    I think it's entirely feasible that we only go with 4 CBs and plug in somewhere else, OLB or OL. I just don't see Ohrnberger being cut. They didn't nurse him for a year just to cut him. It might be my imagination but the OL had more injuries than usual, last season.
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    CB is one place I don't see them with only a few guys. You really need 4 CBs that can play, and since they are (generally) little guys running into bigger guys, they tend to get beat up. I really expect 6.

    SSDD
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    Obviously Crable MIGHT make it over Burgess, and we hope he does.

    An injury -- whether convenient or severe -- could free up a WR roster spot, especially with Welker due back.

    He has Arrington over Slater; one of those surely makes it.

    4 CBs who can play is a little light, so I'm optimistic about Wheatley making it when another position is lightened by injury.

    $80K seems like a big signing bonus for a 6th-round pick, and BB has also said Larsen grades out higher than a bad year's 4th rounder. I think Breer is right that he sticks, except that he's a great candidate for a red-shirt injury. (Which would save Ohrenberger's job for another year.)
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    The Last Three Roster Competitions

    1) I agree with your comments and on the lack of need for the 5th running back. If Green-Ellis is to make the team, then he should be able to beat out someone. Contract isn't much of any issue since all the running backs have contracts that end after the season.

    I'd rather give the roster spot to Wheatley or even to another corner yet to be signed. This is a passing league. We need depth in case of injuries.

    2) I hope that Deaderick shows enough to win a roster spot. I certainly was greatly pleased with seeing us draft him, a true defensive end. My gut tells me he will be on the practice Squad, but we certainly can afford to have a developmental DE as a #7 DL.

    3) I hadn't noticed that the writer cut Orhnberger. I too like Larsen and expect him to make the team. However, I think it is quite possible that Ohrnberger beats Connolly out for the backup OG spot.

    So, not bad. I agree with 50 at this point, and could certainly accept the last three.

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    So the argument is to replace a roster-slot JAG RB with a PS UDFA RB?

    Makes sense to me.
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    Excellent projection.
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    It's not; it's almost exactly the same as Myron Pryor got, two picks later, last year.
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    Good enough take as others have commented. But think he might be a bit more enamored with the "shiny & new" than BB is. I'll be surprised if Deaderick makes it over Warren or Lewis. Both of those guys provide starting experience. Deaderick is a classic PS guy who will need to work his way up the ranks.

    I don't see Wheatley going. They'll keep an extra CB.

    And agree with others that they are better off with four RBs. Though two of them will be hurt most of the year so probably should keep five .......
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    Based on his paly last year, I think I would be astunned if Holt isn't on the roster.

    Also, would anyone really be surprised if Woods was the odd man out at OLB (as much as I have been hoping for him to develop...he really hasn't shown much progress)??
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    I think the only way Woods is out at OLB/STs is if Crable (remember him? I barely do) emerges. I thiknk we'll have an RB on the p-squad as the #5 and keep an extra cat on defense, maybe Lewis AND Warren.
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    this is my biggest critique as well....you need 4 cb's that can play and at least one more for depth, kyle is really only ST, so i see wheatley making it

    prob the casualty is with the 5th rb

    also i would keep crable over woods if crable shows anything in TC...he can at first replace wood's ST production and then really wont have far to go to match woods as an OLB
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    Me neither, especially after Springs cut. I'd like to see Wheat get one more chance
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    Holt is a lock IMO unless he really stinks it up in camp or gets injured.

    The WR corps is far too weak to cut a veteran with leadership quality by week 1 ,now when Welker comes back in mid season then you might have a case for Holt's dismissal which would depend on how Tate,Edelman are faring.
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    I'm fine if Crable shows enough to beat out Ninkovich or Burgess or Woods.

    However, the chances of Crable matching the ST play of Woods is slim to none. So, hge isn't getting that ST/LB roster spot.

    I would not be surprised to see Woods make the team as a pure special team specialist. After all, we really only NEED four outside linebackers, especially when we keep four ILB's. Woods could certainly be considered the #9 LB who only plays special teams (replacing Alexander).

    I think that it is a mistake to criticize Woods beacuse he isn't a starting quality OLB. He is a top special teamer who is a backup OLB. He has always fits that role. Unfortunatley, the team has needed him to do more BECAUSE we there have been no other options.

    MY BOTTOM LINE is that I think Crable is more likely to beat out Ninkovich or Burgess than Woods, if he beats out anyone. Woods will be on a one-year contract until we let him go (like Izzo, Davis and Alexander before him).

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    Too weak? Funny, I think we have one of the better WR corps in the NFL, if Tate and Price don't dissapoint, of course.
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    thats a good point...its just that i see a new guy being able to contribute on ST more easily than on the actual D....

    to me it doesnt seem as though its difficult to play ST, but im probably wrong
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    Here is mine so far with comments

    QUARTERBACK (2)
    Tom Brady
    Brian Hoyer
    RUNNING BACK (4)
    Kevin Faulk
    Laurence Maroney
    Sammy Morris
    Fred Taylor

    Does everyone realize that because we run shotgun so much Kevin Faulk is actually our '#1' RB in that he plays more snaps than any others?
    Given that, I worry less about the durability or age factors.

    RECEIVER (5)
    Julian Edelman
    Torry Holt
    Randy Moss
    Taylor Price
    Brandon Tate
    Wes Welker



    TIGHT END (3)
    Alge Crumpler
    Rob Gronkowski
    Aaron Hernandez


    OFFENSIVE LINE (9)
    Dan Connolly
    Nick Kaczur
    Dan Koppen
    Mark LeVoir
    Matt Light
    Logan Mankins
    Stephen Neal
    Sebastian Vollmer
    Rich Ohrenberger

    No way Ohrenberger is cut in favor of Larsen. Larsen will go to ps.

    DEFENSIVE LINE (6)
    Ron Brace
    Damione Lewis
    Myron Pryor
    Ty Warren
    Vince Wilfork
    Mike Wright


    Brandon Deaderick goes to practice squad, but could beat out Pryor.
    I will choose Warren as the veteran who should be able to make the team but gets cut that we see every year.

    OUTSIDE LINEBACKER (6)
    Tully Banta-Cain
    Derrick Burgess
    Jermaine Cunningham
    Rob Ninkovich
    Pierre Woods
    Shawn Crable

    Lot of special teams play here. Bruce Davis has a shot if any of Ninko, woods, crable stumble

    INSIDE LINEBACKER (4)
    Gary Guyton
    Jerod Mayo
    Tyrone McKenzie
    Brandon Spikes


    CORNERBACK (6)
    Kyle Arrington**
    Leigh Bodden
    Darius Butler
    Devin McCourty
    Jonathan Wilhite
    Terrence Wheately

    6 corners is a lot, but with only 4 safeties we have s/t room at this spot, and a lot of guys who can contribute there.

    SAFETY (4)
    Patrick Chung
    Brandon McGowan
    Brandon Meriweather
    James Sanders



    SPECIALISTS (3)

    K Stephen Gostkowski
    P Zoltan Mesko
    LS Jake Ingram
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    Andy--great job as always. Did you mean to have 6 WR's instead of 5, or are you not counting the 6th spot due to Welker's unknown status? If you meant to have 6 WR's then we have our 53. If you only meant to have 5 like its stated, then we're actually missing 1 more spot.

    Not meaning to nitpick at all, just wondering what you thought about it. Thanks.

    Edit: FWIW--I believe we could use 1 more on the DL, just my opinion. With 4 man fronts + subs coming in like Pryor, and the possibility of Lewis on goal line/short yrd situations, we are using just about everyone at times. We could use a 7th for injury depth. Thoughts?
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    My feelings.

    1. With Light, Vollmer, Kaczur, around, Belichick may decide to go with Ohrnberger instead of LeVoir, or heck, maybe just 8 lineman, especially if Welch is on the PS as a backup tackle.

    2. I could see them cutting a RB like Green-Ellis.

    3. Darryl Richard isn't mentioned, and I could see him figuring into things.

    4. Wheatley makes the team because Belichick wants more than 4 CBs who can cover--in case of injuries. It's a passing league.

    5. I see 10 DBs, not 9, so special teams ace Arrington/Locket make the team.
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    I'm counting Welker as part of the 53, so thats 6 WRs.
    I think 6 DL is fine. If/when we play 43 we use a LB as a DE anyway.
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    I agree on 50 of your roster spots. But then, the final SIX are usually up for grabs.

    AIKEN or WELKER
    I hope that you are right and that Welker is ready. I expect Aiken and/or Slater to find a way onto the roster.

    WARREN or DEADERICK or CRABLE
    I think that Warren is the most likely at this point to take the 16th front 7 position.
    I'm rooting for Deaderick. I agree that he may beat out Pryor.

    2 of LARSEN and CONNOLLY and OHRNBERGER
    I expect Ohrnberger to be ready to be the Game Day backup interior lineman.
    That would allow us to protect the #3 center in the draft on the 53-man roster.
    Don't you believe that Ohrnberger is ready to move past Connolly?

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    No way Crable gets cut.
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    I honestly don't see any situation where LeVoir gets cut...if anything he might be traded at some point, but I think BB likes him.
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    Yeah, I think I would put Gerard Warren and Shawn Crable ahead of Benjarvus, as much as I like him
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    I'm mystified by the "Holt has to shine" comment. We should have plenty of ST candidates.

    If Holt can run a route and catch a ball, he's a lock I think.

    Granted we've had duds that couldn't do that, but who's knocking Holt off the roster among that grab bag of the unproven.

    To me, the only one who can beat out Holt, is Holt. It can be done, as Galloway proved.
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    Have no idea of Ohrnberger's progress, but if he's making any why would they cut a Guard with some time in the system. Neal's gone, and Mank's not signed.

    Burgess being listed as an OLB throws the validity of the whole roster into question.:D
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