Breer's 53, Bunker Hill Day Edition

[captain stone]

Still-too-early 53-man roster projection - Extra Points - Boston.com

QB - Agree.

RB - If Bill can't find an improvemant over BGJE, then I would rather just keep 4.

WR - Agree, though I'm still unsure that WW is not better-served starting the season on the PUP.

TE - Agree.

OL - No way does Welch make the 53 over Ingram. My list stops at 9, and the 9th is btwn Bussey & OBurger.

DL - I'd remove G Warren and add Deaderick.

OLB - I'd remove Woods and add Crable.

ILB - Agree, though Murrell could still beat Arrington for STer.

CB - By removing BJGE, I can add Wheatley.

S - Agree.

ST - By removing Welch, I can add Ingram.

 

[Kontradiction]

Still-too-early 53-man roster projection - Extra Points - Boston.com

QB - Agree.

RB - If Bill can't find an improvemant over BGJE, then I would rather just keep 4.

WR - Agree, though I'm still unsure that WW is not better-served starting the season on the PUP.

TE - Agree.

OL - No way does Welch make the 53 over Ingram. My list stops at 9, and the 9th is btwn Bussey & OBurger.

DL - I'd remove G Warren and add Deaderick.

OLB - I'd remove Woods and add Crable.

ILB - Agree, though Murrell could still beat Arrington for STer.

CB - By removing BJGE, I can add Wheatley.

S - Agree.

ST - By removing Welch, I can add Ingram.

By all accounts, Gerard Warren was the starting DE opposite Warren. Still not sure if this is a bad thing or a good thing (depending on who is behind him).

 

[pats1]

Still-too-early 53-man roster projection - Extra Points - Boston.com

QB - Agree.

RB - If Bill can't find an improvemant over BGJE, then I would rather just keep 4.

WR - Agree, though I'm still unsure that WW is not better-served starting the season on the PUP.

He's running around, punting footballs, and generally participating in practice. In June. Why you would want to keep a Pro Bowl player out until late October is beyond me.

TE - Agree.

OL - No way does Welch make the 53 over Ingram. My list stops at 9, and the 9th is btwn Bussey & OBurger.

DL - I'd remove G Warren and add Deaderick.

OLB - I'd remove Woods and add Crable.

ILB - Agree, though Murrell could still beat Arrington for STer.

CB - By removing BJGE, I can add Wheatley.

S - Agree.

ST - By removing Welch, I can add Ingram.

Gerard Warren, by all accounts, has been starting in minicamp.

I agree with you on Ingram. Every year there's someone out there who calls the LS, even if the Patriots have a very good one, a wasted roster spot, because "there's someone else on the team who can long snap." Well, it never happens. There are currently only one or two teams that do not have a full-time long snapper.

 

[Patspsycho]

It seems like every season lately there is always a surprise cut, e.g., Colvin, and last year, Connolly.

I am coming to think that there's going to be at least one surprise cut every year.

 

[spacecrime]

He's running around, punting footballs, and generally participating in practice. In June. Why you would want to keep a Pro Bowl player out until late October is beyond me.

To make sure he is avaialble for the playoffs. Runing around kicking footballs in June OTA is not teh same thing as catching a ball going across the middle among safeties and line backers.

Why risk injury. He can start in preseason (august) or he can start in late October, and my vote is late October.

Also gives the Pats a chance to keep another WR on the roster for 6-9 weeks, and who knows? One of them could get hurt and it will turn out to be nice that Talyor Price isn't or IR or Torry Holt playing for the Bills.

I sin cerely doubt our 2010 season comes down to whether or not Welker plays 16 games vice 10. I hope not, anyway.

 

[pats1]

It seems like every season lately there is always a surprise cut, e.g., Colvin, and last year, Connolly.

When was Colvin a surprise cut? He was released in February 2008. Re-signed in December 2008, retired after the season.

Connolly was not cut in 2009, or 2008, for that matter. He made the roster out of camp both years.

I am coming to think that there's going to be at least one surprise cut every year.

 

[mgteich]

OFFENSE
A) I would give the 25th spot to a special teamer (Aiken) instead of BJGE.
B) Wanting to have Welch instead of Ingram as our DS is misguided.
C) I'm fine with Ohrnberger being the odd man out; but it could be Bussey or Larsen.

DEFENSE
D) I don't think we're keeping 7 DL's. As of now, I would expect G. Warren to be the odd man out. I also like Deaderick who could get the 53rd roster spot over Aiken.
E) Breer's nine are what I expect at this point. Crable does indeed have a shot.
F) I'd add Wheatley instead of the 7th DL.

In the end, there isn't much controversy, once we eliminate Welch. As always, there are lots of players competing for the final six roster spots.

Still-too-early 53-man roster projection - Extra Points - Boston.com

QB - Agree.

RB - If Bill can't find an improvemant over BGJE, then I would rather just keep 4.

WR - Agree, though I'm still unsure that WW is not better-served starting the season on the PUP.

TE - Agree.

OL - No way does Welch make the 53 over Ingram. My list stops at 9, and the 9th is btwn Bussey & OBurger.

DL - I'd remove G Warren and add Deaderick.

OLB - I'd remove Woods and add Crable.

ILB - Agree, though Murrell could still beat Arrington for STer.

CB - By removing BJGE, I can add Wheatley.

S - Agree.

ST - By removing Welch, I can add Ingram.

 

[pats1]

To make sure he is avaialble for the playoffs. Runing around kicking footballs in June OTA is not teh same thing as catching a ball going across the middle among safeties and line backers.

Why risk injury. He can start in preseason (august) or he can start in late October, and my vote is late October.

Let's put it this way. The Pats would not be practicing Welker in meaningless May and June practices if they planned on sitting him out FIVE months later in September or October. Whatever is holding him back now will be ancient history by the regular season, which is still a ways away. The Patriots have never practiced a guy in minicamps (to my recollection) and then sat him at the beginning of the season. Those players are always on a timetable; it is progressive unless there are setbacks. LeVoir, Eddie Jackson, Chad Jackson, Troy Brown, David Thomas, Richard Seymour, and all others who have been on PUP in recent years were never seen in the summer.

Bottom line: your assessment of Welker's injury status is obviously a lot different than the Pats'. If they were planning on sitting him FOUR months from now (October), then they wouldn't be practicing him now. Period.

Also gives the Pats a chance to keep another WR on the roster for 6-9 weeks, and who knows? One of them could get hurt and it will turn out to be nice that Talyor Price isn't or IR or Torry Holt playing for the Bills.

6-9 weeks of Wes Welker >>>>>>>>>>>>> 6 weeks of Torry Holt playing for the Bills.

Are you serious? You are essentially saying that you would rather have Torry Holt on the roster rather than Wes Welker.

I sin cerely doubt our 2010 season comes down to whether or not Welker plays 16 games vice 10. I hope not, anyway.

You are dramatically undervaluing Welker and over-estimating his injury risk. If they had any substantial concerns about Welker re-injuring himself at this point, he wouldn't be within 100 feet of those practice fields for meaningless passing camps. History tells us that; any guy with any sort of offseason surgery or injury has sat out these camps and sometimes the beginning of training camp.

 

[lillestroom]

Welker to start on IR? Williams gets the call?

Got a gut feeling that Burgess might get cut too. I know he's been re-upped, but I just dont know.

Aitken gets by on any BB roster, purely for special teams.

 

[pats1]

OFFENSE
A) I would give the 25th spot to a special teamer (Aiken) instead of BJGE.
B) Wanting to have Welch instead of Ingram as our DS is misguided.

Agree on both counts.

C) I'm fine with Bussey beating out Ohrnberger; it could be Larsen though.

It will come down to camp competition and preseason game performance.

DEFENSE
D) I don't think we're keeping 7 DL's. As of now, I would expect G. Warren to be the odd man out. I also like Deaderick who could get the 53rd roster spot over Aiken.

I'm not really one for Gerard Warren either, but you can't discount the fact that he's playing with the 1s in camps so far. Deaderick is an ideal practice squad candidate; I would rather see Darryl Richard make the 53 than Deaderick. Don't get the fascination with him and the constant brushing aside of Richard.

E) Breer's nine are what I expect at this point. Crable does indeed have a shot.
F) I'd add Wheatley instead of the 7th DL.

I think these last few spots will come down to preseason injury situations. If there's a CB or OLB banged up, then they'll keep an extra guy there. But guys like Crable or Wheatley are pretty much interchangeable.

In the end, there isn't much controversy, once we eliminate Welch. As always, there are lots of player competing for the final six roster spots.

Agree.

 

[crowell33]

Your Arrington comments are way off base:

Kyle Arrington Becomes Patriots' Special Teams Leader in No Time - New England Patriots - NESN.com

Not only did Arrington lead the Patriots in special teams tackles in 2009, he did it while playing just in a little more than half a season ( 9 games ). Further, in the 9 games Arrington was a Patriot, he accounted for a whopping 24.5 % of all Patriot special teams tackles. NESN named Arrington the Patriots 2009 special teams player of the year.

Arrington is only 23 years old, and earns just $395,000 per year. Additionally,as the linked article above explains, has taken plenty of reps with the regular defense first and second teams during recent practices.

Arrington is an iron clad lock for the 53 man roster.

 

[lillestroom]

Your Arrington comments are way off base:

Kyle Arrington Becomes Patriots' Special Teams Leader in No Time - New England Patriots - NESN.com

Not only did Arrington lead the Patriots in special teams tackles in 2009, he did it while playing just in a little more than half a season ( 9 games ). Further, in the 9 games Arrington was a Patriot, he accounted for a whopping 24.5 % of all Patriot special teams tackles. NESN named Arrington the Patriots 2009 special teams player of the year.

Arrington is only 23 years old, and earns just $395,000 per year. Additionally,as the linked article above explains, has taken plenty of reps with the regular defense first and second teams during recent practices.

Arrington is an iron clad lock for the 53 man roster.

Excellent call.

 

[mgteich]

As always, it difficult to predict which and how many special team specialists will make the team.

I have Arrington and Aiken making the team, and also Woods as a 9th LB and Ster.

That leaves the following without jobs:
Alexander (I'd rather have Woods)
Lockett (I'd rather have Arrington)
Slater (I prefer Aiken)
Murrell (I prefer Woods)

I had to forgo a 5th RB and a 7th DL just to free up the two roster spots for Arrington and Aiken.

 

[spacecrime]

Let's put it this way. The Pats would not be practicing Welker in meaningless May and June practices if they planned on sitting him out FIVE months later in September or October.

They are not practices. No contact. What he is doing is the running part of his rehab. That's all. he isn't playing football.

Bottom line: your assessment of Welker's injury status is obviously a lot different than the Pats'. If they were planning on sitting him FOUR months from now (October), then they wouldn't be practicing him now. Period.

I don't know what the Pats evaluation is and neither do you. The fact that he is running around does not mean he is ready to play football. Only that he is ready to run around. If he is ready to practice, we will know August 1. That will be his first practice.

Are you serious? You are essentially saying that you would rather have Torry Holt on the roster rather than Wes Welker.

No, I never said or implied that.

You asked what possible reason there could be for Welker to be on Pup. There are several One of them is that with him on pup, we'd have six WRs play early in the year. If one gets hurt, we'd have six including Welker. With Wleker playing, we'd not have one of the original six. I know it's a bit complicated, but think of it as a depth issue.-+

You are dramatically undervaluing Welker and over-estimating his injury risk.

I'm not undervaluing Welker. Exactly the opposite. I am valuing him so highly I will not take a chance on losing his services in 2010. If I undervalued Welker, I wouldn't care if he re-injured his knee.

I could be over-estimating his injury risk, which is about a million times better than under-estimating it. Over-estimate and lose Welker for 6 weeks. Under-estimate and lose him for a year.

Bottom line: I'd rather see him on PUP for six weeks and be sure of his services than to have him for six games and chance losing him for the year.

 

[mgteich]

With regard to Welker, I see no problem with using a roster spot for him, keeping him available for practices, and having him available for game duty as soon as he is ready, perhaps after the bye, perhaps sooner, perhaps later.

Until Welker is ready (and after), we will have Moss, Holt, Tate, Edelman and Price. The very good news is that Welker is unlikely to lose the entire season, and perhaps no even half the season.

 

[satz]

* We need BJGE just because he is a fringe guy , with our age in RB position you can cut him / resign him and keep him in a shadow roster. If you have any quality in that position a another team will sign him.

* Crabel for woods is real bad choice. You want your 2nd backup players to be good Special teamers. woods has led the team or been the 2nd one in tackles in spl teams. Crabel did not play spl team in michigan or for that matter play for 2 yrs. I am just confused as to the hit you are willing to take in spl team .

* Aiken was the spl team captain and i do not see it change. We are trying to improve our special teams from last year and i see all this spl teamer getting cut as not a step in good direction.

* Kyle will take slaters position .

* Some of the OL guys are going to pratice squad.

* My suprise cut Holt.

* Wes will start year in PUP. i see no hurry in bring him in early.

 

[efin98]

He's running around, punting footballs, and generally participating in practice. In June. Why you would want to keep a Pro Bowl player out until late October is beyond me.

That's the worst case, being out until November. Frankly here I believe it is best to be pessimistic in his return rather than optimistic, any additional help he brings earlier than November is a bonus to the team and worth shortchanging him over.

I agree with you on Ingram. Every year there's someone out there who calls the LS, even if the Patriots have a very good one, a wasted roster spot, because "there's someone else on the team who can long snap." Well, it never happens. There are currently only one or two teams that do not have a full-time long snapper.

Welch doing long snaps to me is covering their butts in case the worst case scenario happens- Ingram gets injured. I see this as no different than the team bringing in additional RBs and WRs and another punter for TC to give the starters a break.

 

[italia44]

Your Arrington comments are way off base:

Kyle Arrington Becomes Patriots' Special Teams Leader in No Time - New England Patriots - NESN.com

Not only did Arrington lead the Patriots in special teams tackles in 2009, he did it while playing just in a little more than half a season ( 9 games ). Further, in the 9 games Arrington was a Patriot, he accounted for a whopping 24.5 % of all Patriot special teams tackles. NESN named Arrington the Patriots 2009 special teams player of the year.

Arrington is only 23 years old, and earns just $395,000 per year. Additionally,as the linked article above explains, has taken plenty of reps with the regular defense first and second teams during recent practices.

Arrington is an iron clad lock for the 53 man roster.

Ditto......he's my binky..........I'll wager that he's the fastest guy on this team,Slater included.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Welker to start on IR? Williams gets the call?

Once on IR you're DONE for the entire season and post season. Maybe you meant starts on PUP.

 

[spacecrime]

With regard to Welker, I see no problem with using a roster spot for him, keeping him available for practices, and having him available for game duty as soon as he is ready, perhaps after the bye, perhaps sooner, perhaps later.

I can see where he could be ready to play in the opening game, but keep in mind that ready to play in a game is not necessarily ready to play in 19 or 20 games in a row.

At some point his knee is likely to need rest. I'd rather it happen in September than in the playoffs.

It's going to be a long time until Aug 1.