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  1. rookBoston

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    I see two breakout players for the Pats, this year.

    1) LB Ryan Claridge
    With three starting LB spots locked up, there's one spot up for grabs and I think Claridge is the guy to step into it.

    There are only two other legit candidates: TBC, Beisel. We've seen Beisel in spot duty inside, we've seen TBC in spot duty outside... either one could have a breakout season, but my pick is Claridge.

    6'2, 260#, wrap up tackler. He came in as a rookie with a reputation as a student of the game and a tape rat. So... what has he been able to do with the playbook over a full year?

    The week before he was released, Chad Brown answered the question, "Which young Patriots teammate can we expect to hear from in the future?" with the words: "Ryan Claridge, the rookie linebacker."

    2) TE Ben Watson
    We saw flashes of greatness from Watson last year, but it was his first year playing in the O, and it wasn't optimized for him. This year will be different; he'll be used as the versatile weapon that he is. Everyone is predicting greatness for Watson this year, including Brady himself who called Ben out in his recent Q&A
    I'm expecting a pro-bowl season for Watson.

    Others: Jackson, Moroney, Hobbs
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    Hobbs looks like a breakout waiting to happen. And I'm going with Beisel too. On offense, Watson and Caldwell (as I think Jackson is a year away). And something tells me Maroney get more carries than Dillon and looks great by the second half.

    So . . . Hobbs, Beisel, Watson, Caldwell, Maroney.
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    Reche Caldwell and Ellis Hobbs.
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    I agree that we will be pleasantly suprised by a young LB this year.
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    Deion Branch and Rosevelt Colvin or Eugene Wilson

    Deion- 5th year is a time to be a superstar. He'll get over 1000 yards this year :)

    Colvin- He'll be playing more this year and take a bigger role in the scheme more stuff that Willie did to get there and get to QB: Prediction: 11 sacks..over 75 tackles

    Wilson-well hes played with Rodney..and hes played without him. Hes going to step up as a leader and will get 5-7 picks and will get 65 tackles.

    you'll see improvement in these guys not in stats as much as on the field with plays that dont get on stats
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    The way the offense is set up it is very difficult for one receiver to get 1,000 yards. Branch got 998 in a very pass happy offense last year, and if the coaches have there way this year the offense will not be throwing nearly is much. I'm not saying he can't do it, but it will be tough.
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    yeah but with Caldwell and Jackson's speed..takes some double coverage off Deion
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    TBC is going to pick up where Willie left off.
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    This thread having turned into a lovefest ... i've got some strange sweethearts
    to throw in.
    "Breakout" may not be the best description ... but let me nominate 3
    high-probability surprises:

    Three offensive linemen, of all creatures ...
    Wesley Britt ... Ross Tucker ... and Ryan O'Callaghan.

    Mammoth Britt will be fully over his SEC injury. Colvin credited him with being a top-notch sparring partner
    while on the p/s. And the man himself said that he learned more about playing O-Line
    in his first week under Dean Dante
    than he did in months with the Chargers.

    Tucker is the mean, nasty bastid ... a starter ... whom an inept coach in Buffalo made the fallguy
    for a feckless offense. His ex-teammates all but mutinied when that went down.
    But he is here now, and has learned our offense.

    If those two lads come on like i foresee them doing, Ashworth and Mankins have to share reps with them.

    If manster O'Callaghan's shoulders stay sound ... and further concussions stay away ... after a half-season or so
    of acclimating, he could become the roadgrader RT so many here have insistently been whistling up.

    That would displace Kaczur ... who could then stand in for any of 4 OL spots.
    Not a half-bad sixth, seventh, or eighth OL !

    Russ Hochstein would remain as Koppen's backup ... the ninth (and last) O-Lineman.

    Anything that plays out like that makes Gorin ... Mruc ... and Yates ... all superfluous.
    Barring injuries higher up the food chain, of course.
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    Interesting, I was looking through a national football magazine today and I was reading the write up on O'Callahan. He sounds like a decent prospect who needs to become familiar with the weight room, but as I was reading it Britt's name came to mind. I was thinking that he may be the guy to surprise moreso than O'Callahan. He was rated as a potential 1st rounder last year before his injury and he's had a year to absorb the system. It seems like a lot of people have forgotten about him but I think he's a guy to watch.

    I agree with rookBoston's pick of Claridge as a guy who would surprise on defense. He seems to have gotten some of the veteran's respect, and he was a pick a whole lot of us were happy with last year but were concerned where he would fit with the roster crunch. THAT won't be a problem this year and he will get his shot.

    Just one more note that made me smile as I read the writeup on David Thomas, the TE from Texas. The last line in the writeup told me "Yep this guy belongs on the Pats", it read simply "football is important to him".
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    I'll take the odds on Colvin and maybe throw down on some Hobbs as well.
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    Watson has all the tools to become a perennial pro-bowl Te, He is fast enough to burn most LB's and big enough to get by safeties. Other than that I think Colvin is going to return to his pre-injury form and hopefuly claridge will live up to his hype that all the other players have given him
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    My hopeful guess is....Ty Warren. This young man has the capability. I would love to see him pour it on full time.
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    Branch, Warren and the rest... I count them as already "broken-thru". For Branch to breakout from Superbowl MVP status would be... well, almost unthinkable. And Warren is already a solid, reliable 4-down DE. How much further can he break out?
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    Breakthrough implies offense, but I like defense, and Rodney will be comeback player of the year, so that makes him the breakthrough guy, even though he's had great stuff in the past. Also look for Wilfork to become one of the defensive greats this year.
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    Interesting POV. When Seymour was out last season, Warren and Wilfork did not carry their weight and the Pats defense struggled - big time. I think both have the potential, but have yet to meet it. IMO, Warren needs to prove he can carry without an all-pro opposite him. That's why I would love to see a "break-out" season from him - one in which he consistently plays to his potential.

    Branch is certainly a number one receiver for the Patriots, but would he be a number one elsewhere? He still needs to improve, and I'd love a "breakout" 1000 yard season out of him. Super Bowl MVP is awesome, but one good game does not make a stellar career - just ask MVP's Dexter Jackson and Larry Brown.
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    Compare the 2005 version of Deon Branch to the rookie version, who showed flashes of brilliance but ran out of gas at the end of the year. He has gotten significantly better.

    If the NFL was chasing Givens as an elite receiver (and paying him accordingly), then for sure Branch is a #1 receiver-- in the same mold as Steve Smith or Santana Moss. He doesn't fit every system, but he is a #1.

    Warren and Wilfork struggled without Seymour. But so did Vrabel and Colvin. Struggling without Seymour isn't so much about Warren and Wilfork as it is about Seymour.

    Warren is everything that Bobby Hamilton was for us, and more. I call that established. Room for improvement? Absolutely, but not to the degree that's already been seen since his rookie year.
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    I'm sorry, but Branch can't hold Smith's jock. Branch can be taken out of a game - I think Smith can be triple teamed and still get open; he certainly can beat a double team consistently.
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    Who I hope for: Bethel, Klecko and Tully Banta-Cain, of course (so what else is new?). Who I expect: I have no idea, but unless there is someone stepping up at linebacker/WR it's going to be a hard season.
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    Deion hasn't broken out already? We are talking about a SB MVP who has over 130 yards rec/rush in 4 of his last 6 playoff games.

    Is he one of the top 5 guys in the league? No but he is never going to be. Guys his size will always get shut down at times. It happens to every WR of that size - even Steve Smith who no showed the NFC title game and pretty much decided to take his helmet and go home after the Seahawks made him their focus early.
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    for the 2nd year in a row, i will say B. Johnson. I know he can play, really. This is his year.
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    James Sanders is my dark horse and I like F2P's take on the OL.
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    No doubt in my mind that it will be Ben Watson. He imo is the most athletically gifted player in this league,top 5 in NFL. He's smart and again imo has the knowledge and capacity to lineup as a wr if needed. He will dominate.

    Interesting all this talk of Brady working in the offseason. I wonder if Watson was one of the fellas practicing with him? I know Tom seen his development last season but now I'm wondering if the recent high praise was because Ben has been part of Brady's extreme conditioning this offseason?

    Great post btw Rook. I'm so hoping Claridge comes in and does well like Chad was saying. That would be a huge shot in the arm for this team.
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    At the risk of being controversial, I think it is time for the young QB from Michigan to step up- Tommy Whatshisname. :D

    I'd agree with Hobbs and Watson. From what I saw last year, Hobbs seems to be a good, physical corner, whose understanding of the D improved immeasurably as the year went on. I would also add Steve Neal. He would appear to have Pro Bowl potential (as much as I can judge these things in a guard) and can only improve after another offseason in the weight room and sessions with Dante.
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    can be sanders if he gets a shot to start

    http://www.toadlife.net/stuff/forum_stuff/fresno_state/
    10 down..Patriots-Sanders if you guys remember that pretty neat play :)

    i talked to a Fresno fan even after reading the profile of him again like last year

    he said: Sanders awarness is his strength..knows whats going on. Hes not super fast but notslow..average speed for an NFL safety. He likes to give hits when he has the chance. Compares him to a slightly smaller Corey Chavous which is pretty good
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    Benjiman Watson
    Oh boy, this guy is going to be incredible in my opinion, he and Branch problably have to be Brady's favorite targets coming into this year. He showed he can be a play maker and a real threat. This guy could even play as reciever. He made some very big plays, and that one against the Jags sends shivers down my spine, breaks one tackle, being spun around and breaking a tackle near the out of bounds, keeping his balence after being nailed by some guy, and out running all the DB's to the endzone. Whooooooooooo!

    Ellis Hobbs
    He showed awesome potential and in my opinion, as a rookie turned around the secondary. Not saying it was all him but when he stepped in as the second starter, the secondary started playing pretty well. 3 INTS in the second half of the season, as a rookie! I think he can be a pro bowler in the not so distant future. I'm looking for 7 interceptions out of him in 2006.

    Eugene Wilson
    Had a pretty good season in 2004. but without Harrison in 2005 he seemed lost, and not knowing what to do. Hopefully with Harrison back, Wilson can get back to where he was in 2004 and better than that. He needs more years with Harrison until he can be a good player even when Rodney's not there or gone. He's a very hard hitter, I hope he can become a pro bowl safety some day.
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    Troy Brown: Who had a so-so season last year. Troy gets reinvigorated with a top duo of Branch/Jackson. Troy wants part of the runup to the Super Bowl and decides he plays fearlessly like the Troy of old...reckless abandon sparring no body parts...All out.

    Troy cathches 70 passes for @700 yards ... this unexpected production elevates the offense to UNSTOPABLE as the defenses have all they handle with Watson/Branch/Jackson..

    I think the greatest breakout story that would send the media reeling would be a Gostkowski breakout rookie campaign. Gramatica gets injured @ game 4 and Gostkowski gets thrust into the limelight.

    He kicks all PAT's

    He averages 87% of his kicks
    including 75% from 40+ and 50+ yards.

    Justice gets served ... IMO the greatest breakout season of all.


    RUNNER UP: The Entire Defense

    They place in the top 3 overall as they breakout
    from the media predictions of doom and gloom.
    Not really a breakout....but I had to post it.
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    Oh come on now. Let's be honest. What LB can he not burn? The dude runs a 4.4. What starting LB can do that? The dude has the ability to burn many CBs in the league let alone LB & SS/FS.
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    Nice post Rook. I'm one of these freaks that watches every minute of every game, preseason, and regular. I try and catch as much practice as possible too.

    Well, last year, leading up to the regular season, I always saw LB Eric Alexander around the ball. I expected him to be in the mix, so maybe he was doing things my non-expert eyes didn't see. Because, I expect him to be a good player for the Patriots. This year would seem to be a good one to make it happen. He's got my vote.
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    Jumping Jupiter, I get busy for a couple days and come back to read a post like this! Murph, your someone I expect to know better, pull your head our of Sey's rectum and give Warren his due for being the most consistent DL in 2005.

    When Sey was being handed his jockstrap in the Oakland game, Ty was teaching super stud Robert Gallery what it means to be a swinging door. You look at the graphics the broadcast crew put up to start the second half of the Kansas City game and you see that running at Seymour was the path to success while running at Warren got you inches. That was the norm for the season, Warren playing Brick wall and Sey being hot, cold, and injured.

    Wilfork was a breakthrough player last year because he finally got it about 2/3rds of the way through the season and turned into a brick wall. Warren was a brick wall all season, even when hurt. Seymour had flashes of brilliance, got hurt, and came back slow to be a dominator after the KC game.

    I like Seymour too, but I see no reason to worship his explosiveness and put down an exceptional player who wasn't as streaky last year. As for Branch breaking through with a 1,000 yd season....he did, it was called back by a penalty in the 2nd Miami game and BB never put him back in.

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