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Breaking News: Americans lose an entire city to Iraqi insurgents

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    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=2590134

    Our brave and courageous soldiers, who have been used as pawns in a war that should never have happened, are now losing cities. About 800 to 1000 insurgents marched into Amarah city after the "Allied" troops retreated and pulled out after fighting. The insurgents blew up and flattened three police stations that had just been built by the US.

    What a complete mess. This will be worse than Vietnam, because the young people growing up in Iraq will likely retaliate on our soil in 15 years.

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    From what the article says The British troops left in August (part of the policy of turning over territory over to Iraqi control, there was no mention of American troops or even Iraqi troops being involved only Iraqi policemen.

    We will have to see how the Iraqi goverment responds to Sadr, IMO we should have taken him out a couple of years ago.
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    I've been reading that the Brits really haven't been doing that great a job in the South. That they tend to turn a blind eye to alot that goes on. The militia's are the largest problem in IRaq. They are trying to come to an agreement by which they would be disarmed and members would be rolled into the military but it's not going over well. The problem is that once people like Al-Sadr (or 90% of human beings world wide) gain power, they never want to relinquish it. I agree that this clown should have been killed a long time ago. In a strange way, this may prove to be the move that permits the US to move in and wipe out his militia. It would clearly be costly in terms of American lives, but a siege the likes of Falluja would probably cost Sadr 50-60% of his troops. At some point, the Mahdi army has to be disbanded or destroyed. Doing so would do alot to stabilize the country. Remember that Sadr is an Iranian pawn.
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    This thread should read (Troops bad, Insurgents and America haters are great and we root for them, Anything to make America look bad HIP HIP HOORAY!!)


    I mean they all take their cues from the original wartime America hater, Walter Cronkite.
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    When Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield began this thing there were people who tried to balance their arguments and tried to show the outcome if we were to pursue this course of action. Instead of listening, the arguments of like minded individuals prevailed, thus this mess happened.

    To this day, the inner circle, is comprised of people who pretty much agree with each other and there is no room for opposing views. I have read over and over again people knowledgeable people who understand the Sunni/Shiite/Kurd divisions tried to advise the inner circle of what would happen, however they were dismissed. There have been so many strategic mistakes in this effort, they are too numerous to list. These are not left wing talking points, but reality.. we are in a terrific jam and there is no clear end in sight. Know no one wants to compare to Viet Nam, but looking like it more and more every day.
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    BTW Mav why did you lie in the Title of the thread when you mentioned Americans lise an entire city?

    Accoring to the article, the Brits had been in the city had left in August, the Iraqi's were in charge and given the location in Iraq Americans had never even been there?

    Why lie and slander your country?

    Why do leftist hate America?
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    patsfan13, I'm not a leftist, but I understand it may be hard for you to not see things in terms of pure left/right ideology. I guess it comes with the territory of debating with the 30% of sheep who still support Bush.

    This IS an American issue, because it shows Iraqi cities are sympathetic to anti-Allied forces, and reflects the growing chance that we are going to lose Iraq to non-friendly Iraqi leaders, defeating the entire point we are there (besides oil and reserve currency).

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    When your first poat on the political board was a conspiracy theory about war for oil written by a marxist professor that you presented as brilliant and followed up by a number of posts denigrating American troops and their actions... Anarchist perhaps?

    What is your self description of your orientation. I view my self as a conservative libertarian., S Forbes and J Kemp tend to be reflective of my political positions.
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    I find your affiliation interesting, as I am probably more of a liberatarian than anything else... however I am more to the left. Geez, we have something in common, happy, happy, joy, joy!!!
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    As a libertarian, I am appalled by our foreign policy. It is enough to make any reasonable, peace-loving person cynical and disillusioned. Also, it is naive of you to believe in the 'company line' of spreading democracy, and dismissing underlying issues related to oil, energy, and dollar currency. The official reason is complete hypocrisy given our foreign policy history.

    You probably also believe Kosovo was more about stopping genocide, than asserting NATO's relevance, all while genocides elsewhere were ignored. Take a good hard look at our actions all over the world over the past 50 years, and tell me with a straight face that you still believe the official rhetoric over clear underlying motives.

    From all of our actions from decades ago, up to today's torture prisons...We are no longer the 'light on the hill', the moral and philosophical leader. We are simply the latest thug on the top of the mountain, soon to fall off, in my opinion.

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    Hey Pats Fan 13, have you ever read the exit strategy for the Liberatarian Party on Iraq.. kind of interesting.. it is only 8 pages long. I cannot find a division for conservative liberatarian and liberal liberatarian.

    http://www.lp.org/exitplan.pdf

    Our troops have completed their missions: the liberation of Iraq, the capture of
    Saddam Hussein, and the provision of security for the January 30, 2005, elections.
    American military personnel should be commended for accomplishing these difficult
    tasks and performing them in a courageous and selfless manner. We cannot continue
    to keep our servicemen and women committed to an open-ended, violent conflict in
    Iraq. By removing our troops in an orderly and systematic fashion over the course of
    one year, we will withdraw our troops on our terms while retaining the honor and
    respect that they deserve. By creating a direct aid program for Iraq, we give them
    the necessary funds to become an advanced, industrialized, democratic nation. By
    giving the Iraqi government full control over the disbursement of aid funds, we
    respect the wishes of the Iraqi people and foster the development of good diplomatic
    relations. Our exit strategy will help to end the senseless loss of American and Iraqi
    lives. It will ensure that Iraq is rebuilt in an efficient and expedient manner, at the
    lowest possible cost to the American taxpayers.

    Above all else, the intent of this proposed strategy is to remove our troops from
    harm’s way and, in the near future, return them to their families — who have been
    supportive through these trying times. Our hope is that the great loss of life seen by
    both American and Iraqi families will give the Bush administration pause to consider
    and deploy this strategy for eventual peace.
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    patsfan13, here is an explanation of the petrodollar theory you are so quick to pass off as a marxist 'conspiracy'. Please read the congressional speech below, from 2/2006, by Congressman Ron Paul, a LIBERTARIAN from Texas:

    http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2006/cr021506.htm

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    A desire for peace in the abscence of standing up to tyrants has ensured war not peace.

    Don't have a clear opinion about Kosovo and the nix of motivations. I think about Russia and their hsitorical connections with the Serbs played a role. The spectre of WW1 and problems in the Balkans were a factor.

    As to the past 50 years, I think US policy was for the most part noble in confronting the Soviet Union and communism worldwide. As a country we should be proud in protecting the oiberty of millions and freeing millions fromt he grip of communism.

    I know of no torture prisions.
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    Just like Johnson/Nixon should have blown Hanoi right off the map. we didn't win in Viet Nam because we didn't fight "to win" we were bombing rice paddys and killing Water Buffalos, Jane Fonda and Kerry won the Viet Nam war. Eisenhower/Kennedy started it, we never should have gone to war with Viet Nam but once we did we should have "won", we never should have gone to war with Iraq but we did, now we should
    f-cking slaughter them, for every Muslim Terrorist we kill now in Iraq it will be one less to attack America again.

    DO NOT CAVE IN AND SURRENDER LIKE NIXON DID.
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    Are there known knowns? yes
    Are ther known unknowns? of course
    Will there be any Unknown knowns? ceratinly
    Its is also true to say that there are unknown unknowns.

    THAT kind of illogical leadership is what has us in this clusterF*&K called Iraq.

    there is an interesting Flash video game here that pretty much sums it up:

    http://www.newsgaming.com/games/index12.htm

    If you have a few minutes today, check it out
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    wow...thats pretty astute. No wonder you are a Bushie.
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    How did the Americans loose control when the Brits controlled this sector and had handed it over to the Iraqi's in August? You wouldn't be misrepresenting the facts now mikey would you be?
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    Still here? I thought you were some sort of soldier. Didn't you hear??

    We're at war...the war of wars according to you cons...so why are you still here?

    Freedom is on the march. Why aren't you defending freedom with your comrades in Iraq? Or are you just an online cheerleader for failed foreign policy??
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    Hey you can insult me and the ANG all you want, I don't care, all I know is that my fellow soldiers and I, believe in what we are doing.

    Thanks for your support.

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    Sorry, but if eagleland really is a soldier, those remarks are kinda scummy.
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    Really. I didnt realize combat required so little from our servicemen that they spend months in wartime typing half baked ideas on political forums on football websites.

    I'll thank a Marine for you when I see my cousin return from Hit.
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    For someone who talks a big game, his actual experience has yet to show.
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    And since YOU'VE enver lifted a finger to help your country. You should just thank PFIEL for protecting you right to spew uninformed opinions.
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    Again, I would never step in the way of someone wanting to criticize a soldiers positions or disagree with him, but I would never criticize a soldiers service. I think the only people who may have a place in doing so would be fellow soldiers.
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    Agreed. You haven't been here long enough to see some of the vile things said to PFIEL by the looney leftist.
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    But I thought everyone in here "supported" our troops? :D
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    Sure glad people weren't thinking like you during WW II or Korea.
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    GFY. You are a fraud too. As many here have pointed out, you have a hard time getting your facts straight, but more often than not you're quick to simply lie. So why am I not surprised that you have no idea what you are talking about in regard to me or my service to my country.

    Your failed businessman whos faking the presidency would actually be comedy for all if it weren't for the fact that he's getting men and women killed at an astonishing rate. You can feel proud to have voted for such an incompetant phoney. Good for you. Incompetant leaders attract incompetant voters.

    The quagmire goes on, and as many of us with a brain had actually predicted long ago...every point we made has come to pass. The fiasco continues in spite of achieving objectives laid out earlier by this liar in the WH who you bow to every morning. The goal posts keep moving and the majority of america that actually have the objectivity to think for themselves without some daily Limbaugh fix have come to realize what a failure your politics are.

    But enough about you. No personal attacks right? As long as he questions my authenticity, I'll question his. And since you had to come to his "defense" in this, apparently he isn't as tough as he'd like to think he is.

    Well done pf13...would you like some more? Now go get your Bill O'Reilly bobble head doll and shove it up your asssss.

    You cons are so desperate and weak.
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    Yes, you have identified the real enemy!!! Its Walter Cronkite!!


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