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  1. KevinFaulk-33

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    I read a lot of topic on Maualuga or Lauranitis, and I realized that the first can't be a fit for our defense, and for the second there are many different thoughts.

    But i read only a bit about the linebacker from Florida, Brandon Spikes.
    I read that he can play for our SILB position, and there are many enthusiastic comments. I'm interested about his positions, and if he can be a fit in BB's schemes.


    About the draft: Would you draft him if he is available at #24 pick?
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    I'd be thrilled with Spikes at 24. Same response as with the thread on William Moore - I'm happy with him at 24 (and think that right now it's about 50-50 as to whether he will last that long) but wouldn't trade up for him given how much talent there is in the draft.

    Spikes is around 6'3" 245# and could probably put on 5-10 more lbs. without loss of speed. He has shown good ability to drop in to coverage, but more than the other ILBs in this draft he has shown an ability to take on and shed blockers which would make him a good complement to Mayo at SILB. The combination of Mayo-Spikes-Guyton would make us set at ILB for potentially the next decade.

    If Spikes is not available I do think that some of the DE/LB prospects could move inside and play SILB, particularly both Connor Barwin (my binky) and Clint Sintim.

    I'm not sure who I would take if both Moore and Spikes were available at 24. In my dreams we franchise Cassel, trade him to Detroit at 20 or Minnesota at 23, and get both of them.
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    I wouldn't use #24 on Spikes. He was mediocre IMO in the BCS game although he did make a couple of good plays. I think one was the first play from scrimmage when he stopped a run behind the line then he disappeared for a couple of qtrs until he made a nice play along the sidelines fighting through a block to make the tackle. Gresham made him look like a weak DB when he blocked him one on one and he was taken off the field in the red zone. He looked like he wasn't in top condition or he's just overrated. Either way I wouldn't use the 24th pick on him.
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    The Orlando Sentinel is now reporting that with Tim Tebow's decision to return to Florida next year, Spikes is also leaning towards staying. The link is on draftdaddy.com.
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    he may be a really good player. but to me, he comes off as such a punk. i dont know though, i didnt watch florida all that much, but the games i did, he acted like a punk
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    how come u say he would be the SILB? why not move mayo and have him at WILB....arnt their sizes similar?
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    I'll go along with krafty on this one and simply say he no longer has 1st round value to the pats........
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    Spikes had a solid game, he is the leader and arguably best player on the Florida defense, Oklahoma knew that and stayed away from him as much as possible. He is bigger than Mayo, and would be a nice compliment. What some call being a "punk" others would call "passion" and playing with emotion. Is Ray Lewis a punk too? if so that is one punk i want on my team.
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    Spikes is a bit taller and probably a bit heavier than Mayo, and certainly has the ability to put more weight on his frame. He also has shown good ability to take on and shed blockers. Mayo has more pure speed and range. This would suggest that Mayo would be more suited to WILB and Spikes to SILB. I think they would complement each other well.

    Spikes reminds me of Karlos Dansby, who plays at 6'3" 250#, both in terms of his build and his game. I'd be happy to bring Dansby in as a FA to complement Mayo at SILB, but doubt we could afford him and think we will resign long term with Arizona anyway. I'd be happy with Spikes as our own home-grown version. I don't see him as "punk". Meyer charged him with becoming the leader of the Florida defense this year, and the results speak for themselves.
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    Pats opponents didn't target Mayo as the year progressed and yet he managed to finish with 139 tackles, including 23 against the Jesters with 17 solo. I'm not saying Spikes is chopped liver but there were questions raised in the BCS game. IMO, the best player on the Gators D is Major Wright.

    Guyton surprised this year and should improve next year so he looks like a decent choice down the road to pair with Mayo but it remains to be seen. At least they know what they already have instead of just potential from a drafted player. I think they'll be using the pick to fill another need.
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    correct......if spikes showed can't miss ability then it would be different, but he hesitates to get into the pile, and was not any kind of factor in plays that developed outside.......
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    I was high on Spikes, but seeing him have trouble taking on the big guards of Oklahoma made me think twice about him being a strongside inside linebacker in our system, who would have to deal w the big bodies on every play. Like Mayo, he'd probably succeed at WILB where he's more likely to have some freedom to use his speed and agility to make a tackle.
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    He could benefit from another year in college but it could be another Maualuga story. Rey should have declared last year and probably lost a lot of cash by staying. He seemed to take a step backwards this year. I guess from a Pats fan perspective it's better to have more potential 1st rounders in the mix to keep the pool of talent high when their pick comes around. I doubt Spikes would be their choice but it could help another player slide down to them.
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    Who do you think can be a better choice than Spikes?

    I don't know anything about college player... :D
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    at this point, I doubt ILB is the postion they will be pursuing in round 1.......I would think now that eithe CB,S, or an everette brown or george selvie (OLB) if they are there
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    Looks like Spikes might slip to round 2 at this point. I've always felt ILB was a later draft need than S/CB/OLB though.
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    One draft site with a value chart lists the following positions as the strongest in round one and late round one to early round two:

    Sure picks in Round 1: OT four players, ILB/OLB three, DE three, CB two, WR two.

    Round 1-2 grades: OT one player, ILB/OLB four, DE one, CB three, WR two

    So as of this date, the pool of the strongest positions above:

    OT: five players
    ILB/OLB: seven
    DE: four
    CB: five
    WR: four


    Linebacker, OT and cornerback have the largest talent pool of potential picks. Is this the year BB takes the plunge for an OT? It could be with Light turning 31 this year. I think plenty of us have said Light would make a great ROT/OG so it would logically make the line better overall. It's still a muddy picture until the actual talent levels get put through the combine etc. and we'll know more when all the underclassmen declare. It could end up being an OT if they take the highest rated player on their board regardless of position. Overall so far it looks like a good year to grab another LB but the fit for those players in the Pats system will be an issue as always.
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    could be........in another thread I listed jason smith as a possibility.....especially if the pats finagle a first rounder in this years draft for cassel........I would not be suprised that if the pats have 4 day 1 picks that 2 of them would be OL's (I like C/OG jonathan luigs in round 2......big, mobile, a technician)

    I also like NT boo robinson in round 3
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    Cassell escaped a lot of trouble with his feet this year and that ain't happening with Brady so protecting your most valuable cog in the offensive wheel makes a lot of sense. Especially with him coming off knee surgery. I suppose it all depends on the Pats grading system and if they think an OT with excellent value will be available in round two where they got Light. They should have some chips to play with as you point out.
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    Major Wright isn't even the best safety on the UF roster. And there are those around the program who claim he isn't one of the two best safeties on the UF roster.

    While I agree that for whatever reason Spikes was particularly active against Oklahoma, I disagree that he can't take on big offensive linemen. I thought he was terrific against Alabama, whose OL is probably just as good as Oklahoma's.

    Doesn't matter, because the word is that Spikes will be back at UF next year.
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    Good to know from someone who watches him more than me, I will take your word for it. I've seen highlights where he was taking on big guys and certainly looked strong enough to do it, but I've never sat down and focused on him like I did for the bowl game, and maybe it was just an off day.
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    That's an interesting comment. Maybe you should drop Meyer a line and tell him he's making a mistake starting Wright. Let me know if he thanks you for your helpful insight.
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    I haven't read where Boo Robinson has declared?
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    I wouldn't presume to know who the two best safeties on the UF roster are because I rarely see meaningful plays from anyone except Ahmad Black and Major Wright. There are people who watch all the practices and scrimmages who say true freshman Will Hill is just as good, if not better than Wright. I have no idea if this is true or not.

    I do know that Wright tends to go for the big hit too often, sometimes takes bad angles, and drops interceptions he should make.
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    After watching him play, I'm off the Connor Barwin bandwagon. He puts his hand on the ground and runs past the tackle. He's quick and athletic, but I didn't see a real transition from straight-ahead burst to playing in space. Not that he couldn't learn OLB, but I wonder how long that would take?

    Sintim has played standing up at UVA, learning a 3-4 under Al Groh (and if you think that doesn't give him an advantage, just ask Vince Redd). Sintim would be more likely to convert to ILB than Barwin.

    All in all, lots of high level defenders available in the first two rounds. I'm happy. :D
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    I still prefer Barwin, but I'm happy letting BB (or "Baserio") decide between him and Sintim if both are available. As you say, lots of high level defenders available to choose from.
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    Wow. As a Gator fan, you guys need to watch more Gator football. Brandon Spikes is a BEAST... pure and simple. If he came out in the draft this year, I would love to have him (as I'm sure BB is). The reason he didn't look that active in the National Championship game (which is what I'm sure most of you are going on) is because Spikes was going up against a terrific offensive line and was constantly drawing double teams since he was the point of focus for their blocks. That is the reason why Carlos Dunlap, the MVP of the NCG who was otherwise just "decent" all season long, had a monster game.

    Spikes is 6'3", 275 pounds of solid muscle and is deceptively fast. He had 93 Total Tackles in 2008, 52 Solo, 41 assists, 8 sacks, and 4 Interceptions. I, for one, am overjoyed that he's coming back... as a Gator fan. As an even bigger Pats fan, I'm saddened. Spikes is going to have a monster year at Florida in 2009 in such a way that, when he does come out, we will not be in the position to get him. :(
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    I haven't watched that much of him, but Brandon Spikes is not 275 lbs by any stretch of the imagination.
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    Oops. You got me on a typo. Give me a break, pal, it's my first time posting in 2 weeks. ;) 245 lbs. *** according to ESPN although I do not know if that is a give or take situation since his 2008 stats are off.

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    No problem with the type - just pointing it out.

    For the record, I thought Spikes was excellent this year and would have loved to pair him with Mayo. I thought that he showed excellent ability to take on OLs that would make him a good match at SILB. Too bad, but it's not going to happen this year.

    I hope we address SILB in the 2009 draft (I like the idea of converting Connor Barwin or Clint Sintim inside), but if we don't then don't rule out the possibility of still getting someone like Spikes next year. When Maualuga went back to school last year everyone assumed he would be a top 10 pick in 2009, but it is much more likely he will go within reach of where we could trade up to get him if we really wanted him (I don't), and he could even fall to us at #23. A lot can happen in a year. Rolando McClain from Alabama may declare next year and would give Spikes a good run for #1 ILB, at least at this early point. You never know. But we certainly can't count on it.
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