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  1. Iron Helmet

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    Will either sign tomorrow or be essentially removed from the team. BB will not tolerate Branch "lingering" for the next 10 weeks, being a distraction to the team. He is either in, or out tomorrow. I don't know how, but the Pats will put Branch behind them if he doesn't sign.
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    But that is exactly what Branch wants.

    He wants Belichick to "remove" him from the team.


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    He is defintitely becoming a tumor.
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    If he tries to pull off the rumored "TO" attitude, he can kiss his @ss good bye. I'm optimistic that he returns with a good attitude and re signs but we'll see.
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    Wrong......Branch will continue his holdout if he doesn't get traded or signed by tomorrow. Nothing to see here, move along. This move was just a line in the sand, I don't see any changes after tomorrows deadline.
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    Why does he have to sign an extension? Why can't he just show up and play?
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    Too bad...The end result will be he doesn't play until next season for another team, and I would bet probably sign a contract in the ball park of the Pats offer. He essentially will forfeit a year's earnings for nothing.
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    i wouldnt cut him.. let him sit until week 10.. then, he wants to play, or makes the gameday inactive list (not on the 45)... then, franchise him. someone will give a 2, 3, or 4 for him then... you dont give away any draft picks.... plus, if you give in, what happens to the next p!ssed off final-year dude? like deion says, it's a business... the pats business is to win Super Bowls, im sure DB will understand.
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    he can. the short answer is: Risk of Injury. Everyone on this board should know that term by now... DB certainly does.
  10. Iron Helmet

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    You don't understand. the line in the sand is: "if you aren't with us, you are against us." BB will part ways NOW...like tomorrow. You think BB is going to have the "Branch excuse" hanging around for 10 weeks if things go bad during the season? You are nuts.
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    I don't know if this has been answered, but if he's franchised, and refuses to play, what happens?
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    it would be stupid to give a player away, when they are UNDER CONTRACT... move on without him, but DO NOT let him go... let him sit there and rot for $400K- 400k in fines (zero for those of you without calculators)... then, he sits another year if he refuses the franchise offer...
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    If allow Deion Branch to be franchised, you have lost the negotiation altogether.
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    Then his family has to deal with two years of a negative salary which they can not do because it's not like Branch has already made millions that he can live off of.
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  15. Iron Helmet

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    I don't think the Pats do this. Would create too much negativity with the current players and future players looking to come here. BB wants players to WANT to play for him. Having guys hanging around that don't want to be here creates cancers.
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    He doesn't get paid.

    His career goes down the toilet.

    I wish my boss would franchise me. It would be great to be one of the top 5 people in the US at my position.
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    If players know they can be successful when throwing a tantrum then what is stopping them?
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    I think it's exactly the opposite. By giving in, you're begging for other guys to pull this same stunt. And Belichick really isn't a stickler for playing only guys that WANT to play for him. I mean, did Willie McGinest want to play for him? Did Ty Law? Ted Washington? etc. etc. These are all guys that served the Patriots well, but they also said negative things when they left. Deion Branch, by all accounts, is a player who cares and plays hard on the field. That's why everyone is so frustrated by his ill-advised decision to heed the advice of his idiot agent.

    Put it this way: if Branch gets cut or traded for nothing, then the Patriots are inviting all their other players to hold out next year.
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    And that's another thing that differentiates Reggie Wayne from Branch - Wayne played out the final year of his contract, risked injury, then cashed in.

    Branch is asking for Wayne type money, but his stats don't measure up and neither does his attitude.
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    I'm not saying they are going to release him from his contract. They will just put him in a place were he will not be a distraction...for the entire year.

    Before the game they noted Kraft said "I expect the situation with Branch to be resolved one way or another by tomorrow". Lets see what happens.
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    giving players a "free out" of a contract would destroy any future negotiations with any future player.
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    If Deion is hell-bent on not playing, the Pats can't really do much more than fine him, right?

    They will just move on. The only recourse I can see at that point is going after his signiing bonus, and possibly not playing him if he does come back late in the year. He can report, but they don't have to use him.
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    not at all... it isnt about DB only... you can not allow a player under contract to redo the terms of their contract. once franchised, he becomes an asset (tradeable for draft picks)... there is no way he would sit for 2 years of an NFL career for no money... think how long an NFL career is; sit for two peak years? it will never happen.
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    pats recourse: he must show up week 10. his fines will equal his salary. so, he plays for free for the final 6 weeks (risk of injury on him). then, pats franchise him. again, the same... DB can sit out a year (for walmart pay), or he can take a $7M/1 year deal, total risk of injury on him. No NFL player wants the risk of injury... it is all about risk of injury.
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    My guess is Branch's agent would say *He was forced into the 5th year of his rookie contract, should have been a UFA this year/got his payday and if he is seriously hurt this year he misses out on the payday he already deserved*.

    As to Branch being let go? No way Branch just gets his freedom. Hear that? No Freakin Way BB lets him just go!

    BB allowable scenarios:
    1)Branch plays out his current contract and the Patriots get great cap value for this year. Cap value is always on the mind of BB and co.

    2)Branch signs a new contract closer to Patriot terms and everything is as it was. This is what Branch should have done, and my guess is what will be done though I thought it would have happened quicker after the "seek a trade" declaration. Makes me less certain this is the likely scenario but still the likeliest.

    3)Branch is traded and the Patriots get return on a value they have locked up for one more year. It would have to be decent value. We have him for one more year, a top 15 WR, for a one million+ dollar salary. You don't just give that away for nothing. BB and co. won't either imho.

    BB prepared scenario:
    4)Branch comes back from his holdout and pulls a TO. BB removes him from the team via some sort of punishment/suspension (see Terri "she" Glenn). Branch does this and I would wonder if this guy has a mental problem (like TO honestly does). Branch's earning power is only hurt by this move and ultimately would leave him shorter of the whole reason he is holding out now. I don't know what TO signed for in stupid Dallas, however, I bet if he had given it his all this year and last in Philly? He either stays with Philly for a higher salary sum next year or goes to another team with more signing bonus than Dallas after philly releases him.

    Other Scenario:
    5) Branch holds out till week 10 and then returns to give everything he has. I don't think BB thinks this will happen. I don't think it will happen (that's about $65,000 per game X 9 he loses out on plus the fine for holding out of camp - which wipes out his entire year's net salary). But hey, if Branch does this? I think it's better that he moves on, after of course being positioned as the wedge buster on kick off coverage/special teams for his first week back.
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    Remember Terry Glenn? He was "removed" from the team as well but I don't think it was the kind of removal that he wanted. I'd laugh my ***** off if the same thing happens to Branch.

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