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  1. Ochmed Jones

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    The weather was a minor contributing factor, but poor descion making on the part of Brady, who was locked in on Moss, was primarily to blame.
    I watched the game again and I am convinced that if the weak armed Pennington could out perform Brady in the passing game, then the weather was not the major problem last Sunday.

    Brady did not take available check downs and dump offs on over 50% of his drop backs, instead he locked in on Moss and had difficulty completing medium to long distance passes against the Jets coverage.

    Brady needs to go back to spreading the ball around and letting the open receiver dictate where the throw is going.

    Another large contributor to the Brady's poor performance was the lack of a TE in the deep seams. Without a healthy TE to sprint down the seams, the LBers were able to squat in passing lanes and disrupt Brady's timing on those few plays where he did not look only at Moss.
     
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    I hope Brady gets back to what made him great when he had less to work with. Hitting the open guy, no matter who it is.
    He's having a phenomenal year, but the last few weeks, he's had several situations where he's favored Moss over an open receiver.
    I'd like to see Stallworth get more action on the screens and slants.

    Hopefully, we'll have a healthy TE for the next few weeks.
     
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    Thanks for the post, Ochmed -- and don't worry about people rating it one star! That's the consequence for anyone who recognizes that Brady is less than perfect all the time. But to my eyes too Brady was out of sync with his receivers in a way that he hasn't been all year.

    The fact that he was outplayed by Pennington doesn't mean that the conditions weren't a factor, though. What it seems to me to mean is that Brady was more affected by the conditions than Pennington. And there is a history here. The year before (the Monsoon Game that I had the pleasure of attending) was eerily similar -- except for the result; this time, fortunately, Pennington wasn't throwing to Laveranues Coles. The common thread is: RAIN.

    Does anyone else remember 2002 -- all those "glove or no glove" discussions? I've forgotten which games we were talking about (against the Jets again, perhaps?) but it was an issue to try to understand Brady's poor performance in the rain.

    Brady has played excellently in very adverse conditions in the past: wind (I'm thinking of a game in the Meadowlands where the Patriots offense absolutely murdered the Jets) and snow (Snow Bowl, enough said). But I am increasingly thinking that he has problems -- that is, more problems than other quarterbacks -- in the rain. Looks like we may have more data on Sunday
     
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    The real reason was Gisele Bundchen was in the stands watching the game.

    Should should have heard what Moss said about her......:singing:
     
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    I don't think it's fair to say Pennington outperformed Brady in the passing game.

    Yards per pass:
    Pats: 5.19. Jets: 4.65

    Pennington never threw the ball farther than 7 or 8 yards for the most part, and that's not the Patriots' game any more. Brady could have made better decisions, but to say the weather was only a minor factor is a bit obtuse, I think.
     
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    brady's horrible.... the guy needs to start throwing td's. how the heck did he make the pro-bowl.

    i'm surprised us pats fans have any faith in him... it's not like he's won 3 superbowls'
     
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    By jove, BigglesWorth, you're right! I was right there in section 131 row 1 last week (I'm still peeling snowballs off my back -- the fans' aim behind me was worse than Tommy's on the field!).

    I am so disgusted with that pathetic excuse for a New England quarterback that I'm not going to the game this Sunday so I can be miserable in witnessing that superstar in the making Leo Clemon, I mean, Cleo Lemon outperform Tommy in the rain we're supposed to have again. I say bring back John Friesz or Michael Bishop, Tom Brady is a disgrace.... :D :D :D
     
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    Come on dude, why are you so cynical and mock someone just because they pointed out that Brady didn't play well the last game?

    The thread did NOT say Brady needs to throw TDs, did NOT wonder why he made to the pro-bowl, did NOT wonder if the fans have faith in him, did NOT comment on his three SB wins.

    And you cite all the above to someone who made a non-critical observation backed with some analysis. :rolleyes:
     
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    Great points by both of you. Brady's continued refusal to take the short stuff and insistence on forcing it downfield or to Moss in coverage is the reason the efficiency of the Pat's offense has declined. If Brady would return to the patient QB he used to be rather than this impatient version that he has become, the Pats O would be unstoppable, regardless of the weather or the defense the Pats are facing.

    Your cherrypicked stat is akin to saying that Manning outperformed Brady in the 2003/2004 playoffs because he threw for more yards per pass, while ignoring important things like completion percentage, interceptions, etc.

    Pennington's completion percentage (the most important stat for a QB besides interceptions) was MUCH higher than Brady's and Pennington is supposed to be an inferior QB to Brady and faced a better defense than Brady faced.


    The Jet's decline in their average offensive production was far less than the Patriots decline in their average offensive production and again, the Jets were the ones facing a top 10 defense while the Pats faced a bottom 10 defense.

    Your most absurd statement is that "throwing short is not the Pats' game anymore". If that's the case, and Brady seems to have bought into that absurd belief, then the Pats are going to be one and done in the playoffs because defenses ARE GOING TO TRY TO TAKE AWAY THE LONG BALL. I highly doubt that Belichick has removed the option to throw the ball short simply because the Pats now have the ability to go deep consistently. Brady, as of late, has removed that option and needs to get back to it if the Pats are not to be the laughingstock of the league two years in a row.


    You'll get used to this typical homer response to any opinion that they cannot dispute. Create a strawman to deflect from the fact that they have nothing relevant to add to the discussion.

    Other common homer ad hominen responses are "you're a troll", "you're a whiner", "you can't be a patriots fan", "you must be young", "you're a red sox fan", "it was the wind" "Belichick is playing possum", ...etc.
     
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    check the above. brady made the same throws to moss all year long except he completed many of them in double coverage. so now he tries them and doesn't get them- now they're considered "poor decision making".

    "locking in on moss"- be original, this is straight from espn. they should have copywritten this. again brady has done this all season.

    brady did not have a tight end. have we not recalled that watson was out for a bunch of games prior to this one??? unless we're talking about kyle brady he did not have a fast tight end in the seam.

    brady is not all madden for one game and it's the end of the world and he made bad decisions.

    how about he throws a long bomb and the win blows it one foot to the left and on the cb back side and not to moss's side and suddenly it's a bad decision. if you don't make these throw suddenly you have 8-0 people in the box and you can't run with maroney. then suddenly people crticize BB for running the ball and people say maroney is awful.

    I've just come to terms that we're mere mortals trying to comprehend the theory of relativity to football from einstein(BB).
     
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    I just think the Jets had a very good defensive game plan given the conditions that kept Brady off balance because he wasn't 100% confident of the reads at the line. Penington outperformed him but you have to keep in mind that Pats Defense would not have game planned for Penington specifically.
     
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    Yeah Brady sucks, let's get a good quarterback.

    And Moss, what has he done?

    Seriously. You guys act like you know what routes were run, when guys came open etc. I really doubt this.

    Do you think our former DC and defensive backfield coach might have screwed up the timing on these routes so that the guys you saw "open" came open at the wrong place and the wrong time.

    I realize this borders on constructive criticism, but for two factors.

    1. You don't know where or when the receivers were supposed to get open.

    2. You realize you are calling the greatest passing offense in football history incompetent based on your amateur observation of one rainy and windy day.
     
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    We led start to finish and outscored them 2-1.

    Only in this forum would that be considered being outplayed by the other QB.:rolleyes:

    Just unbelievable.
     
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    It's like Belichick said, if you get Randy Moss in single coverage, you throw to Randy Moss. That's why he's Randy Moss.
     
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    that's what i'm saying.... and posters are compaining that brady tried it. keep the faith
     
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    Hey wait a minute! Brady is having an amazing season. And he's won 3 Super Bowls. That means you are not allowed to say this, Ochmed. Plus, what you said is equivalent to saying Brady sucks (as I learned from one post above) so you are clearly ignorant.

    I watched the game and was dismayed myself at how often Brady forced it to Moss, but the posts after yours have convinced me that my eyes and common sense must have been fooling me.

    (That's as biting sarcasm as I'm capable of. Good post, Ochmed.)
     
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    25 of 38 for 184 yards, no TDs, no interceptions.

    14 of 27 for 140 yards, no TDs, one interception.

    I didn't say the Jets outplayed the Patriots.

    The Patriots have better receivers, better linemen and were playing at home.
     
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    Yeah but did you see the way Chad had touch on the ball? He just dropped it in his recievers hands. Brady needs to learn how to put touch on the ball. Or he'll never be as good as Chad. :rolleyes:
    Maybe we can get Drew to come out of retirement. What do you think? :rolleyes:
     
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    Brady didn't connect on some long passes that would have blown the game open.

    Chad didn't even try any and lost by a 20-10 score.

    The object of the game is to win the game.

    Do you "win" by getting more statistics?
     
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    Thats way to much. I don't think BB would ever try to take his old freind Eric for a ride like that. :rolleyes:
     
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