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Brady's first two weeks vs. Manning's first two weeks (2008)

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  1. Disco Volante

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    I know the majority of us are sane and realize Brady is just dealing with some rust, but for those who need to be further convinced.

    In 2008 Brady was injured in the first game of the season requiring major knee surgery and missing the rest of the season. In 2008, Manning had surgery to remove an infected bursa sac in his left knee and ended up sitting out of all four pre-season games while also missing most of training camp.

    Here's how they both fared after two weeks of play.

    2008: Manning
    1-1 Record

    56/91 (61.5%)
    568 Yards (6.2 Average)
    2 TDs / 2 INTs

    2009: Brady
    1-1 Record

    62/100 (62.0%)
    594 Yards (5.9 Average)
    2 TDs / 2 INTs

    The Colts ended up going 3-4 through 8 weeks, coming off a two game losing streak and were looking to be in some trouble. Then, in the first week of November Manning puts up a 121.9 QB rating, defeats the Pats and proceeds to run the table for the rest of the regular season while winning NFL MVP. After throwing 9 interceptions in the first 7 games Manning threw only 4 during the final 9 games.

    Patience.
     
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    Apples to Oranges

    Who cares? Fantasy foootball players?

    C'mon...stats are lame...gimme wins
     
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    I think you're sort of missing the point he's trying to make here.
     
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    L.A.M.E.
    Manning had a very weak offense line with 3 new starters, and a new receiver to break in Gonzo.
    As much as I want Brady to succeed. Don't assume anything, like Brady will have a special year after pretty much pooping in first two games.
    What Manning did in 2008 that is very rare.
    I won't count Brady going on to be the MVP this year. Just want him to play steady.
     
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    QFT.

    What Manning did was very impressive.
     
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    It is funny to hear. I was under the impression that many people thought Manning was undeserving of the MVP? Or is it that his accomplishments were impressive, just not MVP worthy?
     
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    I think again - like RoughingthePasser you're missing the point of the original post. I think you need to look at it a little more objectively and also realize that the two teams they've played up to this point are much improved from previous years and are no longer going to be wins you can just pencil in.

    Brady is coming off of a severe knee injury, and it's going to take some time for him to get his feet back under him and get his confidence back. He's openly admitted that his mechanics aren't where they need to be yet, and it's pretty clear that thus far his accuracy still needs work. From your statements it sounds like you're ready to write off the season and watch them go 4-12. Do you seriously want to go that route? Or would you rather watch him slowly get better each week and watch this team start playing their better football toward the end of the season and have momentum should they make the playoffs?

    Less emotion and more thought - and try to be a little more objective. Unless you want to drive yourself - and the rest of the people in here - crazy this season :cool:
     
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    Unless you're like me and you just can't stand him - so I guess that would be my reason.
     
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    Great post BTW Disco Volante - thanks for pulling those numbers and pointing this out.
     
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    It sounds like you are under a lot of impressions of what other people think.

    But looking at the OP's original message again, I didn't see any of all that Manning worthy/not worthy stuff that you are under the impression that other people think. The message was about Brady, not Manning, and my guess is that most people, like me, do not remember who the NFL MVP was last year.

    Me, I think the OP had a great post and had some significant data to show that Brady is doing as well as can be expected. I'm not sure why no one can understand his post, or the point he is making.
     
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    Exactly. They lost by a touchdown last week - they didn't get blown out. The defense played about as well as they could have and the offense was just out of sync and couldn't get anything going due to the penalties. My favorite part last week was early in the game I think it was when they were knocking at the door and ended up facing a 3rd and 30. You can't do that on the road and expect to win.

    They beat themselves last week and it was still a close game. I think a lot of people are losing a bit too much perspective without really taking an analytical look at things.
     
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    I get what he is saying, it is just the thought of Brady having a Manning like season. blech. They are interesting numbers, uncanny really.
     
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    Right because 39 completions and over 370 yards in game 1 was sucking, right?
     
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    Give me an entire season of Brady needing to put 17 points (or even27 btw) on the board to win, and I'll make my SB reservations.
    That game, offensively, was an anomoly, and it wasn't because of the opponent.
     
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    Yeah, kind of strange to see how many people can't see the point of the post. Kudos for the compliments to those who do.

    1) During the first seven "recovery" weeks his line gave up 9 sacks. During the final nine "MVP" weeks they gave up four sacks. A good QB can make an average line look great and as Peyton got hot, the sacks were more than cut in half.

    2) Tom Brady's leading receiver last week was a rookie seventh round quarterback turned receiver.

    3) It seems you and those who aren't understanding the point of this topic are the only ones making any assumptions. A set of similar numbers earned in the same time span by two elite QBs coming off surgery was presented to show that even the greats will have rust but can eventually return to form, even MVP form at best.

    Also, if you equate Brady's week one performance to "pooping all over the field", then I imagine you quite value on-the-field pooping.
     
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    Not to pour cold water on your parade. Wake up folks, winnning a MVP is not as easy as you think.

    I will be very happy if Brady end the season in top 5 of Qbs. I respect Brady over any other player in the league. But his is not near top of his game. I will be happy if he regains 90% of his game.
     
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    Once again, you're missing the point of the topic. The moral of the story is...

    1) Be patient.
    2) Even the most elite QBs will have rust during the recovery process.
    3) A recovering QB playing below their standard can be significantly (in Manning's case, MVP worthy) turned around with time, especially one of the Brady/Manning caliber.

    This topic did not officially delcare that Brady will have the same exact season as Manning did last year, which is what some of you seemed to assume despite no such claim. The topic is to show that significant improvement can be had by presenting identical stats from two recovering elite QBs in the same span of time, one who is currently dealing with and one who went on to be the league's MVP.
     
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    See posts like these I can at least understand and I can live with.

    I can live with the doubt, we all have a little of that. I also have no issue with people being concerned and questioning some things after the first couple of games. It's the people who are already throwing out the 2009 season after a 1-1 start and a 7-point loss. It's way too early and too much can happen. All I'm asking for is a little perspective and some optimism, because if I read any more posts of people going off the deep end - my head is going to explode.

    Just remember - for those of you going nuts - all of your posts are documented. They can and will be used against you later on :cool:
     
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    Exactly, again this is a topic for those who are declaring the Jets AFC East champions and that Brady will continue to play at this current level for the rest of this season.

    Yet people seem to be reading it as a "Brady will have a MVP season" topic.
     
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    yup manning got hot thanks to wendy's boy and gaffney who cost us the colts game.
     
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