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  1. Keegs

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    Brady would have 5 Rings if the refs didn't completely screw the pats over last year and this year.

    pass interference calls, no touchback, "face guarding", non calls, bull**** offensive pass interference calls, bull**** roughing the passer calls.

    I realize it sounds ridiculous, but if we Beat Denver last year and the Colts this year, the superbowl would have been ours both years. And most people on this site would agree i think

    The Refs are ******* bull****. I don't even remember the last time we got a call in the playoffs that was questionable and went on OUR side.

    The should not be allowed to **** up like that and then say "oh well my fault" 6 days later like it's no big deal.

    this is two godamn years in a row they do that for the Colts and it finally worked this year.

    If i didn't love this team so much and put so much godamn energy in them id stop watching this bull**** league.
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    Well he doesn't. I agree with you but you have to mve on. Otherwise never get over it and it just gets worse.
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    but how many years in a row will this happen?

    what happens if they **** us over next year?
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    I think Brady would be the first to tell you that you need some breaks to go your way when you win the Superbowl. Sometimes those breaks don't go your way, and you realize how hard it is to win the SB, and how amazing this championship run has been by this team.
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    i cannot think of any breaks besides the tuck rule.

    i honestly can't think of any questionable calls or non-calls in our favor
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    I think if you asked the teams the Pats beat, they could come up with some calls that they think decided the game. Or, they say something like "if only our team had done x and y instead of z, we would have won the game!" like I keep thinking about the fact that the Pats had the ball and could have killed the clock to end the game but couldn't do it.

    My point is there are always things that could've turned a game, and sometimes it works for your team and sometimes it doesn't. My take on officiating is that there are always going to be bad calls. In my opinion, did it decide the game over other factors? No. I still think the Pats had the chance to win the game, and they couldn't do it. Congratulate the Colts, and move on and root for the Bears :) The Pats will be fine, and back hungry next year.
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    The refs weren't the exact reason we lost the game. The game was in our hands, we blew it. Sometimes, you just got to accept that your team got beat. Move on.
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    The questionable calls always seem to favor the opposition by about 80% to 20%. It should be about 50% - 50%.

    Unfortunately we just need to suck it up and deal. It's like being Asian and trying to get into a good college -- the deck is stacked against you and it takes and even greater performance to overcome the bias.
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    If you look at it objectively it is completely different. The Pats benefitted many times in their super bowl runs. They could easily have no rings. You can't have it both ways. The Pats' db's got away with muggings against the Rams, colts (twice), and the Titans. This doesn't even bring in other questionable calls, i.e. Tuck rule. Get over it. The Pats gave up 32 points in a half. They got beat plain and simple.
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    Woulda, coulda, shoulda.


    Get over it. It's only a game.

    Fuel for the fire.


    // Didn't see you, Dog. Woof.
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    How would you know - you don't have an objective bone in your troll body.

    The Pats benefitted from the tuck rule being applied correctly, big difference. That same call had been used against us earlier in the season, which is why many Pat's fans knew what it was when they saw it.

    As for DB muggings, that was the way the PI rule was implemented until Polian launched his whining campaign and got the added emplasis which has nearly ruined the ability of secondaries to defense passes. The emphasis was not in place when we won against the Rams and Colts (twice).
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    Well the Denver game stings because we would have had PITT at home ad SEA was a weak NFC team.

    Champ Bailey fumble out of endzone - Samuel pass interference call in endzone. Both complete BS.


    this year: troy brown offensive pass inerference; hobbs faceguarding; 15 yd personal foul against TBC at the end.

    All BS too.

    BUT BUT BUT - Brady doesn't throw that pick to Bailey in the first place and this year, completes a first down in to Brown OR throws to Caldwell with a quicksnap when he was WIDE WIDE open (like loft it out in the endzone instead of a quick snap throw) and pats are 8 days away from surpassing MJ's dynasty standard.
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    Oddly enough, by looking at fan bulletin boards after a team loses a close game, the fans of the losing team are almost always interested in penalties, and almost always have a litany of "bad calls" that went against them. There's always a heated agreement about this or that call, that nobody seems to conclusively call a bad call, except the fans of that team.

    Sometimes, you lose. Pure and simple. "Bad calls" even out over time, unless there is a conspiracy. I'm here to tell you, there's not one; the refs in the Indy game had a golden opportunity to screw the Pats on the Caldwell TD. They didn't.

    The NFL does not "want" the Pats to lose games. The Refs do not "want" the Pats to lose games. No more than the League "wanted" the Pats in Super Bowl XXXVI because of a "9/11" tie-in. No ****, I heard this theory once during that run.

    Parity works because a huge number of fans have a reason to cheer until the last or almost the last game of the year. Fan interest has never been higher, because so many teams have a shot at the Big Show. Want more evidence Parity works? The Pats weren't odds-on favorites to get to the super bowl in any year except 2004. We're used to seeing them counted out, despite the dynasy factor. How can fans be cowed into disinterest by a team you count out?

    There's no conspiracy, the bad calls even out, and fans call close calls against their teams, "bad calls."

    The better team last week was Indianapolis. They won the game.

    PFnV
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    Just because a rule wasn't a point of emphasis doesn't mean it isn't a rule. The Pats' db's were mugging and getting away with it. It even happened in the SD game this year on next to last drive. Pats should not have won that game with good officiating. The tuck rule was reported to have been misapplied in that situation by retired NFL officials. I am being objective you are not.
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    a huge Pats fan here, but I can think of a few calls/non-calls/breaks that have gone in our favor during the Super Bowl playoff runs

    1.)Tuck Rule - the game was over, and the refs did a good job of interpretting the rule and overturning it but the big break was that it came with like 1:52 left in the game. Had it been just over two minutes that Pats could not have challenged the play (no time outs) and the season most likely would have been over.

    2.)2003 vs INDY AFC CHampionship - even after getting five turnovers and a safety, Peyton Manning found himself with the ball only down by one score with two minutes left. There was clear 'holding' and/or illegal contact non-calls that should have given the Colts a first down. Watch it again and you will see that we were very fortunate to get a non-call.

    3.)2001 vs. Rams - while I think it would have been against the intent of the rule, Mike Vrabel did hit Kurt Warner in the head on that rush when TY Law picked it off and returned it for a TD

    4.)2001 vs. Rams (final drive) - I know that this rule is only half enforced anyway, but Brady should have been called for intentional grounding.

    those are just to name a few of the big ones

    so you see, the breaks go both ways
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    Saying he would have 4-5 rings seems a bit ridiculous to me,Does that mean we get to the Super Bowl if all works right with the refs and the NFC does not show up giving us the win?

    Being in the SB for the Patriots guarantees crap - The other team actually has the desire to win too you know and is purely capable of it,Thats how they got there in the first place,no matter what has happened in the past Brady and BB are great but NO guarantee we win the SB ANYTIME we get there.

    Take off the red,blue and silver glasses and get real.
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    I have no idea of the intentional grounding youre talking about. Not the spike after the Wiggins pass, because everyone does that.

    However, I didn't think JR Redmond got out of bounds on the 3rd or so play of the drive.
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    the whole issue with the bad calls it is still a bunch of garbage though.
    The Refs clearly called the game in Indy's favor.
    It should not have to be this way

    We should not have to outplay the Colts and the Refs.
    We should not have to perform well enough to win-and then some b/c the refs have a habit of screwing us the last 2 januarys.

    It's a bunch of crap.
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    Look, I disagree, and basically think this is a homer instinct that's clear as day from where any given fan sits, and complete BS to every other team's fans. That makes me think probably the same applies to us, the Pats fans.

    But IF that's the case, I say screw it. Then the game we're playing is "beat the colts and the refs." Again, I don't believe that is the case, but if you do, it's a matter of establishing superiority and leaving zero doubt, for the Pats. Yeah sounds daunting to do year in and year out, but if that's what it takes, that is the standard we'll need to measure by. The thing is there is no such thing as the "wouldashouldacoulda bowl," and nobody's trying to win the Bud Grant Trophy or the Marv Levy Trophy.

    I get your point of view, I can put myself in your shoes and think, "Christ, I might just give up on football if I see it that way." But again, since this phenomenon (belief in bad calls) recurs among fans of teams that lost an important game, I tend to see it as an epiphenomenon of losing said games, rather than the source phenomenon causing the loss.

    PFnV
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    I don't bother too much with the non-calls. They do indeed go both ways. As the cliche goes you could call holding on every single play. My problem is on the calls that ARE made that never happened in big games. Most notably the PI on Samuel last year and the PI on Hobbs this year. Both desperation throws to the corner of the endzone that handed their team the ball at the 1 for TD.
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    Non Calls
    i understand that there is holding on every play and you can call it.
    or offensive pass interference sometimes
    or defensive pass interference or defensive holding.
    But this is part of the problem.

    the fact that these are accepted as non-calls and happen on almost all the plays creates huge problems and gives the refs far to much power.

    that means on pretty much every play the refs can call a penalty on whoever they feel like. The game should not be this way. Unfortunately i cannot offer any solution to the problem and i know that this is how the game works but when you see the same team benefit every year and the same team get screwed 2 years in a row it gets frustrating.

    The colts not only had no bad calls on them all game, but they got the roughing the passer, the Troy Brown interference, the hobbs penalty (which doesn't even exist), encroachment penalties (actual false starts), the non-call on Caldwell in the endzone..... all in their favor.

    this is ridiculous. You cannot ignore how one sided this game was called.

    These penalties that happen everyplay but are called when the refs want to call them can really screw over teams and benefit others.

    So after the Colts choke next week...when the same thing happens for the Colts again, next year in the playoffs, and they get all the calls (even some made up ones) will it STILL BE A COINCIDENCE?
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    I totally agree with you. Im just as angered by this crap as you are. Its sad to say that when your Champs, everyone is out to get you. Its the sad part about the leauge, that they dont want one team dominating year after year. It sucks. I was just out eating with my wife and daughter, and in the middle of my wife telling me something, i came out and cut her right off in what she was saying and said " I still cant believe the patriots lost, Im so pissed." She looked at me and said, "that game is still bothering you huh?" I said "yeah, i feel like we got cheated." I still sometimes find myself in my own world just re thinking everything that happened that evening. When that call against hobbs happened, i knew the rule, and knew we were going to lose the game. It was a huge turning point for the colts. The best thing for us to do is just try to let it go and move forward. Everyday i feel a little better, and it becomes a little less up front in my mind. Ill probably forgive, but never forget about it, and wont be satisfied until we come back out next year and whip some ass.
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    They should make pass int. the only reviewable penalty.
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    :rocker: This is homeristic high comedy. I'm impressed by the many Patriot sane voices of reason interjected into the thread though.

    Oh no, it wasn't the fact you gave up 32 second half points, it was the refs!!! :rocker:

    It wasn't the fact Brady threw away the game to Champ Bailey last year, it was the refs!!!

    Face guarding - Didn't you just win a game vs. Miami earlier in the year because of face guarding and wasn't everyone making fun of Saban for whining about it?

    Face guarding in the Colts game: Someone referenced it as a desperation throw. OMG!!! LOL!! It was 2nd and 7 from the Pats 20!!!! The Colts scored 25, yes TWENTY-FIVE points after that play!!! You act as if, not for that play, you were going to stonewall them the rest of the game. LOL! The Colts were going to score anyway. They were going to do whatever they wanted on your defense in the 2nd half. They did do whatever the hell the wanted on your defense in the 2nd half. They've done whatever the hell they wanted on your defense for 3 years. They scored 32 points in the 2nd half! They scored 25 after that play! Hell, I think they just scored again as we speak.

    Roughing the passer: The roughing the passer call helped you!!! The Colts were going to score regardless. Your defense would not have stopped a peewee team at that point. They just went 70 yards in about 30 seconds. If the Colts get the ball on the 20, they run out the clock before they score. By getting it on the 12, you at least had 1:00 left and an opportunity. I believe even Bill Simmons said in his article that he was hoping the Colts would score as quickly as possible because he knew your defense was finished.

    How about the facemask call on Dexter Reid that was clearly offsetting, yet set you up in Colt territory and led to a FG? How about the pass interference call before the half when the defender had his hand on Wayne's hip and a flag was thrown?

    Let me assure you of one thing - fans from 31 other teams would laugh in your face if you told them the Pats got no favorable calls during their run.

    The best line was that the Pats got no other calls but the Tuck Rule. There IS no other call in NFL history the equal of the Tuck Rule! You would have 2 Super Bowls without the Tuck Rule and possibly none, because it's quite possible you would never have had the confidence to go on a run after that.

    Here's an idea: If you don't want to lose next time, don't give up 32 points in the 2nd half.
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    At least the Pats went to their first SB because they got a call right not wrong. Colts will never be able to say that. Enjoy your team's handicapped victory. :rocker:
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    Enjoy looking forward to pitchers and catchers reporting in Ft. Meyers.







    I on the other hand am looking forward to the Colts reporting in Florida.
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    LOL

    Yeah, same deal. Let's see. Tuck Rule = game over. No face guarding = 3rd and 7 on the opposing team's 19... against a team that hasn't stopped you and has no prayer of stopping you... in the 3rd quarter!

    No difference there.:rocker:
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    ^
    Either that or:

    "It Was the Greatest Big Game Choke in NFL History"

    You could go either way with your signature.
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    You keep telling yourself that. :rofl:



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