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  1. R_T26

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    Brady knows his actions mean a lot, and if the SI article is true and that his dissapearance the last few days was some sort of protest then that will just endear him more to his teammates. We heard how Javon walker was upset because of Favre publically speaking against him, we heard how TO called MCNabb a puppett for the FO. No one can accuse Brady of that. If I was Brady i would be upset too. We heard how when he took his discount how he mentioned he didnt want to take up the cap space so his teamates could get signed. Now here he is, a first class QB, sitting in a 100 degree temperatures throwing to street free agents when his go to guy needs a new contract with 15 mill still in cap space. I love the FO, but sometimes they need a wake up call to avoid alienating the players.
     
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    I don't disagree with you but let me play devil's advocate.

    As a director of a business, if I was having an issue with one of my employees and ANOTHER one of my employees was spouting off about it, I would be PISSED and I would take employee # 2 to task over it. I wonder if that's how the Pats' F.O. is feeling. I know my job and the NFL are very different and it's not an apples to apples comparison, but I think there is something there.
     
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    Even though I think Branch should end his holdout as a show of good faith and honor his existing contract, I'm glad that Brady is taking a "good cop" approach to this.

    I don't think the front office feels additional pressure from that and from a QBs perspective its the right thing to do. It may be that Brady is sincere in that he "took less" (let's not start that debate again folks) to help sign guys like Branch - nor would it surprise me if Brady's making his comments with the OK, if not the outright blessing, of the front office, as again, its better for team camraderie for Brady to lean slightly towards the side of his fellow players.

    But basically, I'm with the front office on this one, but still hope both sides will give a little and get something done
     
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    I don't know if I would go so far as to suggest that Brady "held out" of three practices to protest on behalf of his friend.
     
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    Agreed. Where is this INANE concept of Brady holding out coming from? THAT is not being a team guy.
     
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    I read that SI article, abet quickly, and remember nothing of Brady's absence being regarded as a "hold out". Where did this little gem come from?
     
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    Imaginaaaaaaation.

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    cant wait to see how borges twists this againt Brady.
     
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    Brady needed to be careful, and I think - THINK - he was. If not, there will be expectations from other players battling the F.O. when it's time for them to be paid. "Does Tom have MY back?" that kind of thing.
     
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    This is just about the DUMBEST thing I've ever heard. If this is true (Tom holding out for Deion), I think Tom needs to wake the f*ck up. I would be shocked if this were true.
     
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    By the way, I didn't come away with that from the article either - just that Brady, while being diplomatic, was very much pro Branch and it makes sense for him to be pro player generally

    I'd expect Brady's absence has more to do with 2 a days in the high heat and some possible arm fatigue - he's got little to prove in training camp at this stage of the game
     
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    Take to task 4 some, have a little chat with others

    Hey PatJew, good to see a post from ya.
    The NFL is a biz, for sure, but the operating environments are structurally skewed. IMHO that's the nature of the entertainment industry, where employees can earn more money than the franchises' net profits. Every year.
    Many employees have more control over what they say than does the franchise. That's not the case in any industry i can think of except entertainment.
    So it's inherently a crazy environment.
    Public statements about the product are made daily. Some NFL players are so prominent and well-regarded that they can say anything they want with impunity. Management does not have structural control over almost anything anyone says, including a goodly number of its employees Franchises operate under kleig lights.
    Further, most revenue not made from the product (quality of teams and games). Money from TV & merchandising exceeds revenue from actually staging games.
    IMHO only a few corporations in this country generate more revenue from product interest (TV, maerchandising) than from the quality of the product itself. In the NFL lousy franchises' revenue is almost the same that for high-performing outfits. Those who have lousy products get as much money as those who excel.

    I wonder how long it's been like this. Maybe starting with opera?
     
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    Especially since he went on TV and said Brady wasn't a stand-up guy for his teammates :D
     
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    Re: Take to task 4 some, have a little chat with others

    Thanks for the welcome back! Good to be here.

    I kind of relate top players in the NFL to top salespeople in the business world. Some of those people DO earn more (in commissions) than their managers/business owners. And like top athletes, these top salepeople can sometimes be volatile and difficult to control- basically pain in the butts prima donnas. Sometimes you need to lay the smack down on these folks and sometimes you need to let them be them because their superb performance make their antics bearable. A great manager knows when to leave well enough alone. My guess is that that's how the Pats management will handle this situation with Tom. (NOT that he is a pain in the butt prima donnas, but I hope you know what I'm getting at.)
     
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    Well, hell has officially frozen oves Borges has admitted he was wrong in today's Globe!
     
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    Re: Take to task 4 some, have a little chat with others

    Agree 100% with this line of thought...I just wouldn't apply it here.

    This wasn't a case of "antics"...not a guy running amuck, stirring the pot, causing trouble. You're confusing our guy for Shockey ;)(wonder if Caughlin had a little talk with Will Demps before he took J's head off the other day?).

    That interview actually served a very constructive purpose from an organizational perspective...not saying it was ordered up by Kraft, but the net impact will pay dividends for the franchise. I'm sure Kraft is shrewd enough to deal with it...even admire him for it, even if it was unauthorized.

    the FA/cap era is indeed ruthless and cutthroat -- this is inarguable.

    We can call it a "business" and say that "side of it" doesn't interfere, but fundamentally it's still a team game and that "side of it" causes some violent friction between not only the club/player, but also creates strong divisions among the players (this angle is almost never illuminated because most reporters have ZERO team sports experience). The reality is that, Tom was indirectly addressing the ENTIRE TEAM (as he always does when he dials up an interview like this)...he was not, in my opinion, speaking as much to the FO (I realize I may be in the minority on this, and this again, just my lame ass opinion).

    He already had built up a lot of respect on the team, but I'm telling you he just took it to a totally new universe with that interview. The "L-quotient" just went up about 1000% (if this is even possible).

    Though there are significant differences between them I'm going to make an analogy here to try to bring some perspective to this. It was easy to watch old Miami games and criticize Marino because he seemed to cross the line into abusive behavior at times, but like Tom, Dan was a perfectionist and a pretty intense fighter on the field. QBs are indeed on-field coaches and we often forget that the responsibilities of a QB and an HC have significant overlap..."analysts" often call these "intangibles" but there are three generic things every QB MUST do to make his team great:

    1. set and strive for a standard of execution that exceeds the expectation of every other player on the team.

    2. immediately and consistently express intolerance for execution that falls short of this standard (this is only possible when your QB is actually good enough to meet said standard himself -- also, this should be done directly with players and not via a postgame press conference ala Peyton).

    and 3. never take sides in player-player disputes and ALWAYS side with team against outside criticism or other agencies...unfortunately in the modern NFL, there's no getting around the contract carousel.

    -- to a man, his players will tell you Dan ALWAYS had their back. When NFL films inevitably catches Tom tossing teh Evian and calling out the spirit of "his men," just remember this interview. Things that happen during an NFL season often have hidden context which we fans can’t possibly understand...it's one thing to get in another man's grill when you have his back, and another to just march up and down the sideline chucking paraphernalia and screaming obscenities that fall on deaf ears.

    As far as facilitating a split between players and FO, that's less a product of Tom's comments and more the unavoidable reality of the NFL that all players must deal with -- you can either sweep it under the rug and pretend it isn't there, or you can try to deal with it (forget Borges, tom's not selectively campaigning for raises here, the bigger picture is that he's taking up for his guy -- he's "mad as hell" at the SITUATION because his guy is being ostracized and victimized by the logistics of the process, by extension, he's mad at the implications of the CBA, in no instance did he single out our FO other than to say he trusts them to do the right thing).

    I write this with the disclaimer that I have absolutely no inside knowledge and am basing this solely on my own lame ass opinion...but I'd honestly be shocked if Tom didn't go to Bill beforehand -- not necessarily for his blessing or marching orders, but to give him an idea of the kind of tone he was going to set.

    remember: when it comes to chemistry, bill consults the captains, not the other way around.

    I realize none of this is profound, it's just easy to forget this stuff.

    btw, I was a bit surprised this got almost zero coverage on either ESPN or Total Access...those guys really dropped the ball on this...just because SI comes up with a scoop doesn't mean ESPN should be allowed to get away with ignoring it.

    peace
     
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    Post of the year right there, taildragger.

    Post of the YEAR!
     
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    fair enough...but TB is not just "ANOTHER" employee...it's like your top salesperson or seniormost engineer being critical of a company's strategy...not ideal, but you know you have a problem if s/he isn't on board...
     
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