Brady may have the highest cap number ever

[DaBruinz]

Peyton Manning is a superstar. Take Brady from the Patriots and he wouldn't enjoy the same success elsewhere trying to game manage for a lesser team and coach. Manning would be a superstar anywhere. I doubt Brady would get as much as Manning on the open market.

The whole "Brady is a saint for taking less money" was a nice PR move.

Peyton Manning is NOT a Superstar. Peyton Manning is an egotistical moron who chokes under pressure and can't accept the responsibility of his own actions. He finds reasons to blame others.

Brady is a much better field general than Manning. The difference between Manning and Brady is that Manning has had the superstar running and superstar receivers for a majority of his career. Brady and the Patriots won it all twice with a mediocre running game and variety of receivers. The one year that Manning didn't have a damn good RB, the team tanked. So many people forget that.

And please don't mention that Farce called the Pro-Bowl. Brady doesn't actually TRY there. And its obvious. He's there to have a good time and that's it.

 

[Yankees/Colts]

The one year Brady didn't have a defense, he tanked. The half year, last year, Brady didn't have a defense, he tanked.

 

[coltshater]

The one year Brady didn't have a defense, he tanked. The half year, last year, Brady didn't have a defense, he tanked.

Manning had a defense last year, and it all ended the same way: a Manning CHOKE and a bunch of excuses.

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

The one year Brady didn't have a defense, he tanked. The half year, last year, Brady didn't have a defense, he tanked.

Which year was that? 2002 when he led the league in TD passes? Or was it last year in 2005 where he led the league in passing yards and according to KC Joyner, led the NFL in bad decision percentage?

Here's Brady's stats in the first half of 2005...

GAMEDATE  Opp  RESULT  GS   Att Comp   C%  Yds TD Int  Rate 
09/08    OAK  W 30-20 Yes    38   24 63.2  306  2   0 105.8 
09/18    @CAR L 17-27 Yes    44   23 52.3  270  1   1  69.3 
09/25    @PIT W 23-20 Yes    41   31 75.6  372  0   1  92.7 
10/02    SD   L 17-41 Yes    32   19 59.4  224  1   1  78.1 
10/09    @ATL W 31-28 Yes    27   22 81.5  350  3   1 140.4 
10/16    @DEN L 20-28 Yes    46   24 52.2  299  1   0  79.9 
10/30    BUF  W 21-16 Yes    21   14 66.7  199  1   0 113.0 
11/07    IND  L 21-40 Yes    33   22 66.7  265  3   0 121.4
TOTAL                       282  179 63.5 2285 12   4  97.1

Wow, that's what I call a tank job.

Oh, let's not forget SB 38 when an injured Pats defense tanked in the 4th quarter to Carolina. Brady sucked then too.

Fact is, that in each of his playoff exits, a Peyton-led offense failed to score more than 18 points.

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Peyton Manning is a superstar. Take Brady from the Patriots and he wouldn't enjoy the same success elsewhere trying to game manage for a lesser team and coach. Manning would be a superstar anywhere. I doubt Brady would get as much as Manning on the open market.

The whole "Brady is a saint for taking less money" was a nice PR move.

Where are the Superstar's rings?

Oh, there on his ears?

Superstar had two gifts against the Steelers: a wrongly overturned INT and a gift fumble from Jerome Bettis. Yet no rings?

Thanks to the Superstar, I would never have known that Jerome Bettis is from Detroit.

 

[Yankees/Colts]

Which year was that? 2002 when he led the league in TD passes? Or was it last year in 2005 where he led the league in passing yards and according to KC Joyner, led the NFL in bad decision percentage?

Here's Brady's stats in the first half of 2005...

I was under the impression stats don't matter, it's all about winning.

Well, they didn't make the playoffs on '02 and were .500 for the first half last year.

And BTW, 3 of the 4 losses in the first half last year were crap games by Brady. When your defense is that bad you have to play nearly perfectly in order to win. Game managing time is over.

 

[coltshater]

I was under the impression stats don't matter, it's all about winning.

QUOTE]

It is about winning, in the PLAYOFFS. What is Mannings playoff record?

 

[BradyisGod]

I was under the impression stats don't matter, it's all about winning.

Well, they didn't make the playoffs on '02 and were .500 for the first half last year.

And BTW, 3 of the 4 losses in the first half last year were crap games by Brady. When your defense is that bad you have to play nearly perfectly in order to win. Game managing time is over.

It's unfortunate you aren't very bright, b/c your enthusiasm should be commended.

The playoffs in 2002 they had the same record as the team that went from the AFC East. Now, everyone signs up for the same rules, but that should be considered.

Going 4-4 in the front half of last year was pretty good looking at that schedule.

As for the defense, it was a little shaky last year at the beginning but certainly seemed to turn it around. So much so, in fact, that Mike Shanahan, who is known for great running game scheme said that it was one of the hardest teams to run against...EVER.

So, carry on in your delusional world that Peyton Manning is the greatest ever. I'm sure he'll have another sob story to tell come this January.

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

I was under the impression stats don't matter, it's all about winning.

Well, they didn't make the playoffs on '02 and were .500 for the first half last year.

And BTW, 3 of the 4 losses in the first half last year were crap games by Brady. When your defense is that bad you have to play nearly perfectly in order to win. Game managing time is over.

I never said stats don't matter. They matter most when your team needs you to step up and Brady has certainly done that. They matter least when you're running up the score like say, 6 TDs against the Lions.

But how many games have the Pats won because Brady put up good stats?

The Atlanta game comes to mind. But if you're so obsessed with "crap" games...

Superstar's Postseason Exits...

Year  Opp   Result  |   CMP  ATT    C%   PYD  PTD INT     QB Rat
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
 1999  ten  L,16-19  |   19   43   227  44.2    0   0  |    60.9
 2000  mia  L,17-23  |   17   32   194  53.1    1   0  |    82.0
 2002  nyj  L,0-41   |   14   31   137  45.2    0   2  |    31.2
 2003  nwe  L,14-24  |   23   47   237  48.9    1   4  |    35.5
 2004  nwe  L,3-20   |   27   42   238  64.3    0   1  |    69.3
 2005  pit  L,18-21  |   22   38   290  57.9    1   0  |    90.9*
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
TOTAL                |  122  233  1323  52.4    3   7  |    61.1

* Peyton's QB rating would have been 79.9 had the officials not erroneously overturned Polomalu's INT.

I've backed up my arguments with facts. All you have to offer is homerish opinions. This makes you an ignorant troll w/o any credibility.

 

[Yankees/Colts]

* Peyton's QB rating would have been 79.9 had the officials not erroneously overturned Polomalu's INT.

:rocker:

If we're counting that as an INT, Brady just lost his first ring, Superbowl MVP, etc.:singing:

Manning's career postseason rating is 89.3 - Brady's is 89.4.

It's funny, of the horrible Peyton games you mentioned, a couple were nearly equal to or better than the numbers Brady won Superbowl MVP with.

Brady's put in some bad-mediocre playoff games - Denver, Oakland, the Colts, the Rams...

Brady flat out choked in Denver and definitely threw away your shot at #4.

 

[fgssand]

I was under the impression stats don't matter, it's all about winning.

Your right....now, TROLL, tell me what QB has led his team any better this century? Furthermore, what will really tear you up is when he wins a few more and ends up being the greatest of all time!

Eat your heart out dude, TB is a NE Patriot and no one can stop him or his team.

 

[BradyisGod]

:rocker:

If we're counting that as an INT, Brady just lost his first ring, Superbowl MVP, etc.:singing:

Manning's career postseason rating is 89.3 - Brady's is 89.4.

It's funny, of the horrible Peyton games you mentioned, a couple were nearly equal to or better than the numbers Brady won Superbowl MVP with.

Brady's put in some bad-mediocre playoff games - Denver, Oakland, the Colts, the Rams...

Brady flat out choked in Denver and definitely threw away your shot at #4.

Ah yes. What a luxury it is to be able to throw out a shot at number FOUR. No one will argue with you that that was a bad game.

Your boy keeps throwing away his shot to even play in a SB.

The Oakland game. Was the bad when Brady took over the game in the fourth quarter? Was it the seemingly endless string of completions that you are categorizing as bad?

The Rams. Efficiently running the offense for an entire game is bad? Doing as the game plan laid out to keep the clock moving by mixing run and pass was bad? A game winning drive in what many call the best Super Bowl ever played is bad?

If you can't see that your boy just craps the bed everytime there is a big game, then no one here can help you. You're pathetic.

 

[DaBruinz]

The one year Brady didn't have a defense, he tanked. The half year, last year, Brady didn't have a defense, he tanked.

Sorry, but you are 100% WRONG. In 2002, Brady didn't tank. He led the league in yards and TDs. Last year, he led the league in yards.

Obviously, You are someone who doesn't understand the concept of a player TANKING.

 

[DaBruinz]

I was under the impression stats don't matter, it's all about winning.

Well, they didn't make the playoffs on '02 and were .500 for the first half last year.

And BTW, 3 of the 4 losses in the first half last year were crap games by Brady. When your defense is that bad you have to play nearly perfectly in order to win. Game managing time is over.

The Patriots won 9 games in 2002 and tied for the division. They only LOST it because of a rule change due to the Colts whining about being the Patriots punching bag all the time and them moving into their own division. When that happened, the league also changed the tie breaker rules.

And, while the Patriots were .500 for the 1st half, you are ignoring the injuries they had during that time. But, god forbid you deal with facts. You just can't hack that Peyton is the biggest choke artist in NFL history. Yes, bigger than Dan Marino.

Now, about this theory of yours that 3 of the 4 games were crap by Brady. He threw a total of 3 ints on 121 Pass attempts.

Also, lets forget that the defense gave up 83 points in those 3 games. But, you're right. It was Brady's fault the team had to pass so much because it had 2 rookies on the O-line, had lost 5 defensive backs by that point, and the Pats top 2 RBs were injured.

Man, you are a blockhead. :bricks:

 

[DaBruinz]

:rocker:

If we're counting that as an INT, Brady just lost his first ring, Superbowl MVP, etc.:singing:

Why? Because in the Pats/Raiders game the correct call was made, where as in the Steelers/Colts game the league ADMITTED that the referee was WRONG to overturn the call? Can you be any more ignorant?

Manning's career postseason rating is 89.3 - Brady's is 89.4.

Brady is 10-1 in the post-season with 3 SB rings. Manning has never even sniffed a SB. In fact, Manning's post-season record is pretty horrendous at 3-6.

It's funny, of the horrible Peyton games you mentioned, a couple were nearly equal to or better than the numbers Brady won Superbowl MVP with.

Brady's put in some bad-mediocre playoff games - Denver, Oakland, the Colts, the Rams...

Brady flat out choked in Denver and definitely threw away your shot at #4.

As for Brady choking against Denver, this shows how truly stupid you are. The Referees were a bigger factor in that game than they were in the SnowBowl. If you had actually WATCHED the game (which you obviously didn't) you'd know this.

 

[onegameatatime]

I think the troll is playing with you because he can't be this ridiculous.

CHFF has shown fairly convincingly that it is the Colts offense, not defense, that has let their team in the playoffs. In 2004, 20-3. If you told Colt fans the Colt D would allow 20 points, most Colt fans would start taking the second mortgages to Vegas.

Manning and Brady may have similar average ratings, but Mannings' are pumped up by some total routs, like over Denver a few years ago. In several of his losses, he has been really bad, like in 2004.

Two circumstances epitomize these two players:

Brady having a mediocre game against the Rams and then leading to a game-winning drive in the final minute or so. In addition, view the spike to stop the clock for the field goal. It's stunning how calmly Brady waits for the ball to come down from the spike, catches it, and hands it to the ref.

Manning last year versus Pittsburgh. Rather than gain 10 yards first for a safer FG opportunity, Manning goes for the big strike to be the big hero, but misses. And then the FG misses. In that situation, Brady locks up the FG position first.

Speaking of playoff underperformers, how about Harrison? Perfect complement to Manning. Comes up huge in the 45-3 wins; no-show in the close tough ones.

DaBruinz: the refs did not help the Pats -- the PI call was ludicrous -- but I think Brady would tell you that the 99-yard return was the biggest blow. I would put this in the bad play realm, not choke. Pats lost because of multiple turnovers. Disappointing because things were coming together after all the injuries and coaching changes, and they stopped the unstoppable Denver running game.


Finally, leave it to a Yankee fan to talk about getting the calls.

Notice that going the Yankees way means the Yankees get the benefit of a bad call. Like the other night at first base.

Going the Red Sox way means that a bad call in the Yankees favor gets reversed to a correct call for the Red Sox. (like the "tuck" call)

 

[Yankees/Colts]

Brady has a better playoff record because he had a better defense, kicker, special teams, coach, etc., not because he's a better QB. I think that's pretty obvious.

Two circumstances epitomize these two players:

Brady having a mediocre game against the Rams and then leading to a game-winning drive in the final minute or so. In addition, view the spike to stop the clock for the field goal. It's stunning how calmly Brady waits for the ball to come down from the spike, catches it, and hands it to the ref.

Manning last year versus Pittsburgh. Rather than gain 10 yards first for a safer FG opportunity, Manning goes for the big strike to be the big hero, but misses. And then the FG misses. In that situation, Brady locks up the FG position first.

then leading to a game-winning drive

It was a 48 yard FG. The one Vanderjagt missed was 46 yards. It's a good thing Tommy Boy was calm enough to get them closer.

I'm glad you brought up this comparison. It's perfect. Identical situations -but Brady had a kicker who made the kick and Manning did not - that's the difference. It's nothing Brady did. (Now Manning has Brady's kicker.) http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=article7&news_id=3651 The situation was the same in the Colts/Miami playoff game. Manning drove them down the field to win - Vanderjagt missed it.

As for Manning going for the endzone - down 3 points, with Vanderjagt's record in the clutch? Hell yeah. Did you see that kick? It was estimated it would have missed from TEN yards. :singing: :eat2: :rocker:

Manning and Brady may have similar average ratings, but Mannings' are pumped up by some total routs, like over Denver a few years ago.

Yeah, and Brady's rating is brought down by several bad-mediocre games like against Denver.

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

:rocker:

If we're counting that as an INT, Brady just lost his first ring, Superbowl MVP, etc.:singing:

Ah yes, the Tuck Rule argument. The equivelent of the white flag Patriots Haters use when they can't win a fact filled argument.

Unlike PM's overturned INT, the "tuck rule" was the correct call.

First thing people should know: there is no “tuck rule†in the NFL rulebook. It became known as the “tuck rule†simply because it would have been a fumble had Brady “tucked†the ball into his body. But officially, there is nothing called the “tuck rule.†Here's what the Official Rules of the NFL say to exonerate Brady: Rule 3 (“Definitionsâ€), Section 21 (“Pass and Passerâ€), Article 2, Note 2 states the following: “When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his hand starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. Also, if a player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble.†Note 3 states: “If the player loses possession of the ball while attempting to re**** his arm, it is a fumble.â€

The NFL's digest of rules, meanwhile, also exonerates Brady: “When a passer is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional movement forward of his arm starts a forward pass. If a defensive player contacts the passer or the ball after forward movement begins, and the ball leaves the passer’s hand, a forward pass is ruled, regardless of where the ball strikes the ground or a player.†Replays clearly show that Brady was hit after forward movement began and that it was this hit -- an illegal blow to the head that was uncalled -- that caused Brady to lose control of the ball.

Even the broadcasters calling the game said on the air immediately after the play that the call was going to be overturned. The officials, of course, agreed and overturned the call. Keep in mind that calls are not overturned unless replays show conclusive evidence. Clearly, ANYONE who knew the rule, and this includes the Patriots coaching staff, the broadcasters and the officials realized that there was enough evidence to overturn the onfield call. Sorry, but give it up. It may have been a fumble in your Patriot-hating mind. But it was an incomplete pass in the NFL rule book, as the NFL rules just demonstrated.

Here's the play if you want to see it.

http://www.provencehome.org/refsuck/images/passfumble.gif

Now you tell me why you think it was a "bad call".

Manning's career postseason rating is 89.3 - Brady's is 89.4.

It's funny, of the horrible Peyton games you mentioned, a couple were nearly equal to or better than the numbers Brady won Superbowl MVP with.

Brady's put in some bad-mediocre playoff games - Denver, Oakland, the Colts, the Rams...

Brady flat out choked in Denver and definitely threw away your shot at #4.

You just lost your argument, again. Do you watch football?

Peyton has played in more Wild Card round games than Brady. Peyton's best playoff performances were in those games. Denver and KC had awful secondaries when they played Indy. Meanwhile, Brady has posted 100+ QB ratings against elite defenses (Steelers, Eagles and both away from Foxboro) en route to winning a SB. Yet Brady still has a better QB rating than Peyton!!!

Here's a statistical comparison between the two QBs based on their performance against quality teams (teams that finished above .500) including playoffs...

Superstar's performance against quality teams...

+----------+--------------------------+----------------+
|   YR  OPP  |  CMP  ATT    PYD   C%  TD INT  | QB Rat
+----------+--------------------------+----------------+
| 1998  mia  |   21   37    302 56.8   1   3  |   58.6
| 1998  nwe  |   21   33    188 63.6   1   3  |   51.1
| 1998  nyj  |   20   44    193 45.5   0   2  |   39.3  
| 1998  buf  |   20   41    235 48.8   2   2  |   62.6
| 1998  sfo  |   18   30    231 60.0   3   0  |  117.5
| 1998  nwe  |   30   52    278 57.7   2   2  |   69.2
| 1998  mia  |   22   42    140 52.4   1   2  |   47.7
| 1998  nyj  |   26   44    276 59.1   3   2  |   81.3
| 1998  buf  |   14   29    164 48.3   1   2  |   48.6
| 1998  atl  |   19   27    159 70.1   2   2  |   79.1
| 1999  buf  |   21   33    284 63.6   2   2  |   85.9
| 1999  mia  |   17   24    274 70.8   3   1  |  130.9    
| 1999  kan  |   21   33    290 63.6   1   1  |   89.2
| 1999  mia  |   23   29    260 79.3   1   2  |   86.8
| 1999  was  |   23   37    298 62.2   2   1  |   94.2
| 1999  buf  |   18   29    163 62.1   0   0  |   77.2
| 1999  ten* |   19   43    227 44.2   0   0  |   60.9
| 2000  oak  |   33   48    367 68.8   3   2  |   94.7
| 2000  det  |   22   33    288 66.7   3   2  |   99.1
| 2000  nyj  |   21   35    210 60.0   1   0  |   86.6
| 2000  gnb  |   25   44    294 56.8   3   1  |   90.5
| 2000  mia  |   16   34    209 47.1   2   1  |   74.2
| 2000  nyj  |   27   51    339 52.9   2   2  |   70.6
| 2000  mia  |   21   28    206 75.0   1   0  |  107.1
| 2000  min  |   25   36    283 69.4   4   1  |  118.2 
| 2000  mia* |   17   32    194 53.1   1   0  |   82.0
| 2001  nyj  |   22   32    231 68.8   2   2  |   84.2
| 2001  nwe  |   20   34    196 58.8   1   3  |   48.2
| 2001  oak  |   26   41    241 63.4   2   2  |   75.4
| 2001  nwe  |   22   34    335 64.7   1   0  |  106.9
| 2001  mia  |   20   33    253 60.6   3   2  |   89.5
| 2001  sfo  |   31   51    370 60.8   1   4  |   56.8
| 2001  bal  |   27   48    310 56.3   2   1  |   81.1
| 2001  mia  |   19   32    173 59.4   0   3  |   35.0
| 2001  nyj  |   25   35    228 71.4   1   0  |   98.3
| 2001  stl  |   15   28    195 53.6   0   1  |   60.9
| 2002  mia  |   26   45    289 57.8   1   3  |   56.6
| 2002  pit  |   32   48    303 66.7   1   3  |   64.8
| 2002  ten  |   37   50    327 74.0   2   1  |   96.0
| 2002  phi  |   18   23    319 78.3   3   0  |  158.3
| 2002  den  |   27   44    229 61.4   0   1  |   65.4
| 2002  ten  |   26   42    297 61.9   1   3  |   61.3
| 2002  cle  |   20   34    277 58.8   2   1  |   92.4
| 2002  nyg  |   30   46    365 65.2   3   2  |   93.1
| 2002  nyj* |   14   31    137 45.2   0   2  |   31.2
| 2003  ten  |   14   21    173 66.7   1   0  |  107.8
| 2003  car  |   23   34    293 67.6   1   1  |   91.9
| 2003  mia  |   23   37    266 62.2   1   1  |   81.6
| 2003  nwe  |   29   48    278 60.4   4   1  |   95.7
| 2003  ten  |   22   34    228 64.7   0   0  |   83.9
| 2003  den  |   12   23    146 52.2   0   0  |   72.0
| 2003  den* |   22   26    377 84.6   5   0  |  158.3
| 2003  kan* |   22   30    304 73.3   3   0  |  138.8  
| 2003  nwe* |   23   47    237 48.9   1   4  |   35.5
| 2004  nwe  |   16   29    256 55.2   2   1  |   93.5
| 2004  gnb  |   28   40    393 70.0   5   0  |  140.9
| 2004  jax  |   20   29    220 69.0   2   1  |   99.8
| 2004  jax  |   27   39    368 69.2   3   0  |  124.7
| 2004  bal  |   20   33    249 60.6   1   0  |   94.1
| 2004  sdg  |   27   44    383 61.4   2   1  |   95.2
| 2004  den  |    1    2      6 50.0   0   0  |   56.3
| 2004  den* |   27   33    457 81.8   4   1  |  145.7
| 2004  nwe* |   27   42    238 64.3   0   1  |   69.3
| 2005  jax  |   13   28    122 46.4   0   1  |   44.0
| 2005  nwe  |   28   37    321 75.7   3   1  |  117.1
| 2005  cin  |   24   40    365 65.0   3   1  |  108.9
| 2005  pit  |   15   25    245 60.0   2   1  |  102.9
| 2005  jax  |   24   36    324 66.7   2   0  |  113.7
| 2005  sdg  |   26   45    336 57.8   1   2  |   70.2
| 2005  sea  |    9   12    116 75.0   0   0  |  104.9
| 2005  pit* |   22   38    290 57.9   1   0  |   90.9

| TOTAL      | 1555 2531 18,160 61.4 118  88 |    84.2

* - playoffs

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Brady's performance against quality teams...

+----------+--------------------------+----------------+
|   YR  OPP  |  CMP  ATT    PYD   C%  TD INT  | QB Rat
+----------+--------------------------+----------------+
| 2000  det  |    1    3      6 33.3   0   0  |   42.4
| 2001  nyj  |    5   10     46 50.0   0   0  |   62.9
| 2001  mia  |   12   24     86 50.0   0   0  |   58.7
| 2001  stl  |   19   27    185 70.4   1   2  |   70.8
| 2001  nyj  |   20   28    213 71.4   0   0  |   93.3
| 2001  mia  |   11   19    108 57.9   1   0  |   91.6
| 2001  oak* |   32   52    312 61.5   0   1  |   70.4
| 2001  pit* |   12   18    115 66.7   0   0  |   84.3
| 2001  stl* |   16   27    145 70.4   1   0  |   86.2
| 2002  pit  |   29   43    294 67.4   3   0  |  110.0
| 2002  nyj  |   25   35    269 71.4   2   1  |  100.8
| 2002  mia  |   17   31    240 54.8   1   3  |   74.7
| 2002  gnb  |   24   44    183 54.5   1   3  |   44.0
| 2002  den  |   15   29    130 51.7   1   0  |   75.4
| 2002  oak  |   18   30    172 60.0   0   0  |   76.0
| 2002  ten  |   14   29    134 48.3   0   1  |   47.2
| 2002  nyj  |   19   37    133 51.4   1   1  |   57.6
| 2002  mia  |   25   44    221 56.8   1   1  |   68.5
| 2003  phi  |   30   44    255 68.2   3   0  |  105.8
| 2003  ten  |   17   31    219 54.8   1   0  |   88.0
| 2003  mia  |   24   34    283 70.6   2   0  |  115.2
| 2003  den  |   20   35    350 57.1   3   1  |  108.0
| 2003  dal  |   15   34    212 44.1   0   0  |   64.8
| 2003  ind  |   26   35    236 74.3   2   2  |   87.3
| 2003  mia  |   16   31    163 51.6   0   0  |   67.0
| 2003  ten* |   21   41    201 51.2   1   0  |   73.3
| 2003  ind* |   27   37    237 73.0   1   1  |   87.3
| 2003  car* |   32   48    354 66.7   3   1  |  100.5
| 2004  ind  |   26   38    335 68.4   3   1  |  111.2
| 2004  buf  |   17   30    298 56.7   2   0  |  112.9
| 2004  sea  |   19   30    231 63.3   1   1  |   84.2
| 2004  nyj  |   20   29    230 69.0   1   0  |  104.1
| 2004  pit  |   25   43    271 58.1   2   2  |   72.9
| 2004  buf  |   15   35    233 54.3   2   1  |   82.2
| 2004  bal  |   15   30    172 50.0   0   0  |   67.6
| 2004  nyj  |   32   21    264 65.6   2   0  |  112.0
| 2004  ind* |   18   27    144 66.7   1   0  |   92.2
| 2004  pit* |   14   21    207 66.7   2   0  |  130.5
| 2004  phi* |   23   33    236 69.7   2   0  |  110.2
| 2005  car  |   23   44    270 52.3   1   1  |   69.3
| 2005  pit  |   31   41    372 75.6   0   1  |   92.7
| 2005  sdg  |   19   32    224 59.4   1   0  |   78.1
| 2005  den  |   24   46    299 52.2   1   0  |   79.9
| 2005  ind  |   22   33    265 66.7   3   0  |  121.4
| 2005  mia  |   21   36    275 58.3   2   2  |   77.9
| 2005  kan  |   22   40    248 55.0   1   4  |   42.5
| 2005  tam  |   20   31    258 64.5   3   0  |  122.8
| 2005  mia  |    3    8     37 37.5   1   1  |   52.6
| 2005  jax* |   15   27    201 55.6   3   0  |  116.4
| 2005  den* |   20   36    341 55.6   1   2  |   74.0

| TOTAL      |  986 1611 10,913 61.2  64  34 |    85.7

* - playoffs

As you can see, Brady is better against quality teams than Peyton. If you want your team to win SBs, Brady is the best QB for the job. If you want gaudy stats and a QB to run up the score against weak opponents, Peyton's your man.

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

Brady has a better playoff record because he had a better defense, kicker, special teams, coach, etc., not because he's a better QB. I think that's pretty obvious.

Look at Brady's stats in the 2004 AFCC and SB39 games. He's posted 100+ passer ratings against the top two defenses in the league. History has shown that Peyton plays way below his regular season standards when confronted against the first tough defense he's faced in the playoffs.

It was a 48 yard FG. The one Vanderjagt missed was 46 yards. It's a good thing Tommy Boy was calm enough to get them closer.

I'm glad you brought up this comparison. It's perfect. Identical situations -but Brady had a kicker who made the kick and Manning did not - that's the difference. It's nothing Brady did. (Now Manning has Brady's kicker.) http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=article7&news_id=3651 The situation was the same in the Colts/Miami playoff game. Manning drove them down the field to win - Vanderjagt missed it.

No, it's not. Brady had zero timeouts and started from his 17. Manning had all 3 timeouts and started from midfield. Moreover, PM had a 2nd and 2 from the Pittsburgh 28 with 31 secs left. Another detail you missed, was that Vinatieri's FG wasn't life and death. Manning's situation was, and he blew it. Yet Vanderjagt gets all the blame and PM is excused for not having graspable balls.

As for Manning going for the endzone - down 3 points, with Vanderjagt's record in the clutch? Hell yeah. Did you see that kick? It was estimated it would have missed from TEN yards. :singing: :eat2: :rocker:



Yeah, and Brady's rating is brought down by several bad-mediocre games like against Denver.

PM's mediocre games that counted outweigh Brady's by a wide margin. Look it up.

BTW, excessive use of smileys helps your argument as much as ignoring the facts does.