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Brady, Manning, Brees "It's Time for a Deal!"

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    This comment scares the crap out of me.

    Its sounds like a last ditch effort at trying to impress their point of a fair deal. The owners were not hearing them privately so they publically make the statement.
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    I didn't call for it, just passed on that a mediot did (recalling Tommy Glavin basically telling the MLBPA to get the deal done to end their labor impasse several years ago...).

    Sadly I don't think this is quite the same. First off, it's one sided and secondly, I doubt any of the three did more than sign off on this statement released on the NFLPA labor site. I do like the NFL PR guys retort. I'm sure the owners feel the same way. A better statement would have been both sides clearly have made what they believe are fair proposals and since they aren't that far apart it's finally time to split the freakin' difference and get a deal done...

    The union is trying to spin the present impasse as they've gone just as far as they can. I call BS on that kind of rhetoric at this late date... They've solved the biggest issue, the revenue split, much to the chagrin of some particularly on the player side. Now they are dickering over the details of the lesser issues that were supposed to be no impediment to a deal once the big ticket item was agreed upon.
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    I see it as furthur pressure to resolve the "fine print" details. A good thing. Of course it's gonna be shrouded in NFLPA* rhetoric.
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    My gosh I hope you're right, Wicked. I hope it's a positive statement.

    To be honest, I see it more of what Mo is saying--that this is going to possibly be viewed as more finger pointing, and may not necessarily be a 'good' thing.

    If they take steps back at this point, it may drag on for at least another month, if they get a deal done at all.
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    It's time to just get it done. A 'fair' deal is a deal where both sides aren't completely happy but don't feel like they were ripped off either. Hopefully this will get resolved soon so we can get back to talking about football ON THE FIELD.
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    Fingers crossed. Now IS the time. We'll soon find out whether the QBs' statement was grandstanding or a final push; I tend to think the latter.

    By the way, I have to give kudos to Albert Breer of NFLN for his coverage of this whole story, especially on Twitter.

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    His accounts have been accurate and measured, neither too up or too down; he's let people know all along that this was to be a long drawn out road with lots of bumps, and when he tells you there's progress you believe it.

    I've been critical of Breer in the past here because I thought he was a little too prone to gratuitous snark when he covered the Patriots. (And he still reminds me of the kid from "Boys From Brazil.") But he's been great with this story and is worth following until a settlement is reached.
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    They should have thought about that before they SUED the owners. The owners need to punish them.

    A deal might be made but it will probably take another month. Then the season would start early Oct. 12 game season sounds OK.
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    :rolleyes:

    It's funny, I really can't for the life of me understand how anyone could become so staunchly on the side of owners.

    I hope anyone following the NBA CBA situation has realized the perspective it puts on the NFL owners. The NFL owners are just looking to stretch out as much money as they can. That's fine, that's businessmen, that's what they oughta do. But to suggest that greed isn't behind their actions this summer is just naive.

    NFL owners are already in a great situation, and they are just looking to make it even greater. The average NFL player is not a Brady, Brees or Manning who goes on to live a luxurious life. Far from it. To suggest these owners should "punish" the NFL players...well, I just don't know how you get there.

    Contrast that to the NBA, in which a lot of teams are legitimately losing money, and the players, even the crappy ones, are hugely overpaid (consider that Rashard Lewis made $22 million this year...or that Avery Bradley made 3x what Danny Woodhead did or that Brian Scalabrine would have the fourth highest base salary if he were on the Patriots, LOL!). The NBA owners actions are not one of greed - but of desperation. Do I feel bad for them? Absolutely not. But, at least, I could understand someone staunchly being behind the owners in that CBA disagreement.
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    In this instance i think it was a matter of huffing enough gas to bring his IQ well below 60.
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    Brees now claims we are very close to a deal. And that should be comforting since he should know since he's a member of the Executive Committee - although he's never attended a negotiating session and is now waffling on whether he plans to attend tomorrow. He claims all he cares about on the rookie wage scale is that the money goes back to veteran players and retirees. Hey genius...that was what the owners proposed out of the gate, only De insisted that half of the money needed to be "funneled" (good choice of terminology too) to...THE ROOKIES.

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    Gotta love agent Ralph Cindrich over on twitter too repeatedly posting that the poor sob's who are losing valuable training time to negotiate this deal should get 2 years guaranteed on their contracts as a bonus for their service. Someone needs to tell Ralph that aside from a few rotational attendees with one foot already out the door, the majority of the guys on the "players" side of the table are officially or effectively retired...or on the verge of being. Jeff Saturday and Mike Vrabel and Mawae have done the lions share of the work and Saturday is the only one of the three who hasn't pulled the trigger yet or had it pulled for him. And Foxworth was elected to the Executive Committee after he spent all of last season on IR after his third team in six seasons the signed him to a deal in 2009 with $16.5M guaranteed.
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    I am not really a suporter of either side as I dont care who makes the money. But you use the term greed and I dont see it as greed as much as they made X in the past and now they have more cost and want to try to still make X.

    Call it what you want but people like to act like Owners buy teams as pet projects and something fun to do with their money. When reality is they are in it to make money. And if trying to make more is greed and undefendable then I guess you have a point. Players do similar things all the time when they hold out.

    If the owners do not have a legit case then players are foolish to even give a little back but since they are caving they obviously feel the owners have a point.
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    Most of them are the peeps who simply say "those guys are making millions to play a game and should be happy with it". They generally fall into one of two categories; a person who feels entitled and is jealous that someone with physcial talent can make more than they do, even though they "work hard", or the person who still can't get over being picked on by some "jocks" when they were a kid.
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    I think they players have been resigned that they must give some bach since the beginning.... which is reflected in the current details that have been leaked. The owners originally took a hard-line dick head approach, which was reflected in the offer they submitted at noon on the final day of the extention. It appears as though the more moderate owners have gained support, and that is what has allowed the sides to come close to a deal.
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    I would be surprised if a deal is not done by Sunday Night....its do or die time for those preseason games and they arent going to let it slip away.

    If its not done by Sunday and preseason games are in jeopardy then you might as well redshirt every rookie because 95% of them wont mean a great deal to a team this year unless they have monumental talent to go from NCAA to the pros without any time practicing with the big boys.
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    Your point on the rookies not being of much value is obviously logical but I think the premise should be changed from monumental talent to a monumental brain.

    As I feel just about all players drafted have the monumental talent to be able to compete with these guys some of them need more time then others to learn (some never get enough time to learn and are gone before then can put their skill to use).

    To me the rookies that are able to compete this year are either at postions that are less cerebral or are just really smart and able to pick up things quickly.

    There will be a few excpetions where guys are just so talented even their brains cant keep them down and also exceptions for teams that get so bad they would rather give the experience to the youth.
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    As I said - I have no problem with the owners wanting more money as long as we characterize it as such.

    Likewise, I have no problem with the players fighting back, which they have done.

    It's all part of the process. But some are trying to paint the players as the greedy ones, and it's hard for me to see that.

    This entire thing began when the owners said "hey, we want more $$, and we want you to get less," when there is no proof to their claims that is necessary. The owners were on the attack - which is why I react with shock when fans are angry at the players.

    The owners came into the negotiations with a predictably hard stance (not just on the $$, they knew they were never getting an 18-game season, but toss it in there so it looks like a "concession" when they yield on it), and they've had to come off that stance as time has gone on. Likewise, the players have made concessions. The players' actions have certainly been justified. Their resistance to the owners has led to concessions, and rightfully so.

    Basically, I see nothing that has happened to this point as out of the ordinary. Not sure why we need to even really direct a lot of ire at either side. It's a business, guys are going to look out for themselves and their interests, as well they should. Both sides are going to have to give and take.
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