Brady & Manning against common opponents

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  1. BradyManny

    BradyManny Pro Bowl Player


    Brady = 2330 yards, 17 TDs, 4 INT, 67% completion, 107 rating
    Manning = 2202 yards, 16 TDs, 8 INT, 68% completion, 100 rating

    Worth noting that in the AFC East, Brady twice faces the #1, #3 & #23 pass defenses, whereas Manning twice gets to play the #12, #27 & #32 defenses in the league.


    Brady versus AFC south (excluding IND):
    87% completion, 647 yards, 10 TD, 0 INT

    Manning versus AFC east (excluding NE):
    64% completion, 495 yards, 2 TD
  2. DaedalusX

    DaedalusX On the Game Day Roster

    Awesome breakdown there.
  3. Mongo Heathen

    Mongo Heathen Rookie

    ...Very very interesting, thanx for posting that info. Certainly an eye opener.
  4. BradyManny

    BradyManny Pro Bowl Player

    It helps explain why Brady has the best defense-adjusted stats in the league.

    Manning plays 4 games a year against 2 of the worst pass defenses in the league. When Brady played those two teams (Jax & Ten), he lit them up in epic fashion.

    Whereas Brady plays two of the tougher pass defenses in the league 4 times (Jets at #1, Bills at #3). Manning didn't look so special against the Jets yesterday, and we'll see if he even plays next week versus the Bills.

    It's also worth noting that the AFCE aside from the Patriots fared well against Brees. Brees had 1 TD and 3 INT versus the Bills, Jets & Phins. His passer ratings were 72.8, 78.9 & 58.9 against those three AFCE teams.

    Helps put Bradys #s in perspective.
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2009
  5. PatriotsInGA

    PatriotsInGA In the Starting Line-Up

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    This just makes me want to play the Colts again. If the defense can be fully healthy and avoid never know.
  6. BradyManny

    BradyManny Pro Bowl Player

    Agreed. I think the playoffs will be a good equalizer. We'll see where we stand.
  7. bigjunk1

    bigjunk1 Practice Squad Player

    Manning has it pretty easy in that division and has for years. I wonder what his and the Colts records are in that division over the past ten years. They always seem to beat the teams in the division with regularity.

    Contrast that with the AFC East, where we beat the Bills pretty consistently but the other two teams are 50/50. Plus the Pats seem to worry about another team winning the division every year while the Colts have a rubber stamp into the playoffs every season.

    This is not to say the Colts are a bad team or anything but when you consider the frauds they play for 6 games every year it's easy to see how they have more wins than us this decade.
  8. Fixit

    Fixit Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    We can throw this stuff around all we want, but I think that we're the only ones who listen.

    It's a statement of fact that Manning has had every possible advantage in his career, including playing in a dome, having top shelf receivers, and playing in a division with two expansion teams. Not to mention the nonsensical move to the AFC South in the first place, which means that even his outdoor games are going to be warm. I've never seen an explanation for why Miami didn't move to the AFC South, by the way, seeing as they're, I dunno, IN THE SAME STATE AS ANOTHER TEAM IN THE AFC SOUTH.
  9. theQB

    theQB Banned

    Give me Peyton anyday
  10. Fixit

    Fixit Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    You can have him. But please, explain why.
  11. theQB

    theQB Banned

    Technically speaking the Colts should be in the AFCN, Ravens in the AFCE, and the Dolphins in the AFCS.

    When they realigned the divisions they wanted to keep rivalries of the past intact. That is why they lie as they are.
  12. PatsFanSince74

    PatsFanSince74 Supporter Supporter

    That is excellent analysis. Thank you.

    Aren't you glad that those highly paid, print and broadcast media superstars all do that same kind of hard work and thinking? But, wait, doing that kind of analysis would mean changing their group-think, pre-conceptions that anointed Peyton MVP a month ago!

    Why don't you cut and paste it into Peter King's Mailbox where he just about handed the MVP to Peyton today? I'd do it myself, but I'd be taking credit for your great work.
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2009
  13. Fixit

    Fixit Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Indy had no rivalries in the AFCE?

    Baltimore should have stayed in the North, because they're geographically north and east. Keeping them in their division made sense. But Indy isn't even close to southern, meaning that the logical move would have been to send Miami to the South where they'd have a natural rivalry with the other Florida team. Indy's move to the AFC South still makes no sense whatsoever, other than to give the league's poster boy dome or warm-weather games for 80% of the season.
  14. theQB

    theQB Banned

    The way I see it they are even a lot of physical categories, size, arm strength, accuracy, although I think Peyton's might be slightly better. And both have certaintly had weapons to use.

    But Peyton always seems to be in more control of the game. I think he notices blitzes and hot reads better than anyone to ever live. Brady often relies on only a handfull of plays, most of the time they work though. Coming off the knee injury Brady does not move as well in the pocket but I'm not sure he ever moved as well as Peyton. And for the clutch factor Brady has only declined over the years and Peyton has grown.
  15. theQB

    theQB Banned

    The Colts were an original NFL team. The AFCE consists of former AFL teams. Those are the real rivalries.

    BALT is not north, it's mid-atlantic/east.

    It's a retractable roof and why didn't you put a dome over your new stadium? :rolleyes:
  16. Fixit

    Fixit Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    1) Up until 2007, who were Brady's weapons?
    2) A handful of plays? Really?
    3) Brady doesn't throw on the run as well as Manning (in fact, he kinda sucks at it), but his movement in the pocket is second to none.
    4) How has Brady's clutch factor gone down "over the years?" He missed all of last season. Before that, he ended 2007 with late comebacks against Baltimore, Philly, the Giants, and began this year with one against the Bills. Manning has always been deadly the regular season. His well-deserved choker reputation is due to his playoff record. Seeing as you're such a big fan, I bet you can tell me what that is, as well as how many one-and-dones he has on his resume, and his QB rating for the postseason they managed to win the Superbowl.
  17. Fixit

    Fixit Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    A retractable roof that is NEVER open unless conditions are perfect. Please tell me the last time Manning's jersey got cold and wet at home, or he had to throw in wind.

    And we like to play real football around here.
  18. theQB

    theQB Banned

    1. While Brady won with Troy Brown, Givens, Branch, Peyton won last year with Gonzalez a rookie, and this year with another rookie Collie, and Garcon. Peyton turned Wayne into what he is. Brady had that with Branch only to have him leave.
    2. Yes the back-shoulder throw down the seam to the TE, always used. The PA passes to Moss, two of them. One of his routes is the deep crossing post, the other deep seam to the corner. Last one Moss across the back of the endzone :rolleyes: Why do you think Revis always shuts that down. Because it's predictable. Shotgun delayed hand off on 3rd and shorts. I won't go into Welker's routes because he runs to get open more than anyone.
    3. I'm not even talking bout throwing on the run, but eluding the rush, is considered moving in the pocket.
    4. Mannings career is still on the upswing, while Brady's is declining. How long is he going to last with that defense and no running game.
  19. theQB

    theQB Banned

    Fnnny how Brady can run up the score against TENN and JAX in the snow and rain?:rolleyes:
  20. Brady_12

    Brady_12 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    Declining? He was out last year with a devastating knee injury. Granted, he has been uneven this year, but I would hardly call having (statistically) his second best year "declining".

    But what else would I expect from a Jets fan?

    To answer my own question: Nothing.
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