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    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...-best-signalcallers?campaign=Ext_Email_NL0526

    The usual suspects are leaders on this list....however a couple of interesting things I noticed.

    Sanchez has 29 TD's in 33 games and is ranked ahead of Chad Henne who has 27 TD's in 27 games....I think Sanchez being ranked higher is based on the Jet's TEAM W-L record with Sanchez at the helm....

    Would Henne be a better QB than Sanchez if he was under center for the Jets based on the team that surrounds him? Then again, Miami did beat the better team on paper ( J-E-T-S ) both times they met last year.....

    Comments welcome... :singing:
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    Chad Henne is pretty bad, I'd take Sanchez over him. That says quite a bit I think.
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    Aaron Rodgers should be 2 or 3.
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    Sanchez is better than Henne, but I wouldn't exactly be pumped to have either leading my favorite team.
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    QB gruppings are in alphabetical order!
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    Oops :confused3: Thanks for clearing that up ;)
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    I think Sanchez is better than Henne, but that is faint praise. Henne is a real limited QB. Sanchez at least can show flashes of brilliance although he makes stupid mistakes and some real bad tendencies.
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    Eli Manning is not a top 10 QB, and Sanchez was a bottom tier QB in 2010, meaning he's not in the top 20 as of now.
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    As much as I hate to admit it but, Sanchez is pretty clutch. Not near an elite qb but he gets the job done.
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    Sanchez is far, far from bottom tier. Consider the list...

    Alex Smith, Matt Hasselbeck, John Skelton, Derek Anderson, Matt Moore, Jimmy Clausen, Brett Favre, Joe Webb, Shaun Hill, Donovan McNabb, Rex Grossman, Jason Cambell, Bruce Gradkowski, Tim Tebow, David Gerrard, Rusty Smith, Kerry Collins, Colt McCoy, Carson Palmer, Chad Henne, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Trent Edwards...

    All who got starts in 2010.

    Sanchez is a middle of the pack QB with a flair for the clutch.
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    You're padding the numbers by using backups, but I'm not buying that, sorry. Sanchez is a bottom tier QB:

    #27 in passer rating
    - ahead of only Hasselbeck, Favre, Anderson and Clausen, only 1 of whom will have any likely chance of being a week 1 starter this season

    #29 in completion percentage
    - ahead of only Anderson and Clausen

    #26 in average per pass
    - ahead of only Anderson, Bradford and Clausen

    #24 in TD percentage
    - ahead of only Bradford, Henne, Favre, McNabb, Hasselbeck, Anderson and Clausen

    #15 in INT percentage (much improved from the previous season, and a decent ranking)


    Those are bottom tier numbers overall, which is right where Sanchez was last year.
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    imo sanchez is much better than henne, and not because he's got a much better D to back him up

    actually when looking at sanchez, he's hamstrung with such a run heavy offense
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    i'm surprised nfl.com finally rolled out that rivers stat where he gets a ****load of yards in much less attempts

    i remember when him and brees tied for most tds in a season at 34 and rivers had something like 150 fewer attempts but the highest yard per pass of anyone

    no one has had a higher yards per pass than rivers, since brady in 07
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    I don't think there is really much difference between Henne and Sanchez except that Henne has a history from college through the NFL of underachieving and of being the leader of teams that do better statistcally than on the scoreboard. Its sort of intangible but its real.
    IMO Sanchez benefits tremendously by the run heavy offense, because if he needed to throw often without the threat of a running game, he probably would have lost his job by now.
    Both have adequate, unexciting arms, both have questionalble decision making.
    Which one will have a better career will depend on which one improves more from this point forward, because if they don't improve both will be out of a job by 2013.
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    Sanchez has more upside than Henne ... not that anyone's opinion matters.
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    i've seen sanchez make some really nice deep passes not off play action, so i stand by my statement of the run heavy offense hurting his passing game more than helping it.


    people used to say brady didn't have a good deep ball and that he just dinked and dunked

    people were talkin out of their ass
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    forget Chad Henne i say Mark Sanchez is a better QB then Joe Flacco, just look at the playoff games this year Flacco had a nice game vs KC but then sucked vs the steelers Mark Sanchez put up good numbers vs 3 teams that have played in 9 of the last 10 super bowls and have won 6

    say what you want but Sanchez is a pretty good QB ( not great ) but good
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    Sanchez is going to be a good QB. Take the blinders off.
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    Let me get this right. Because Sanchez has thrown "some" nice deep passes that weren't off play action, the run heavy offense hurts his passing game? Riiiight.

    Tom always had the arm to throw the long ball, but it took him years to get down the timing. That said, he was always excellent in the intermediate game, which doesn't fall under the dink and dunk category.
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    Didn't Sanchez' TD/INT numbers get a boost due to all of the potential INT's DROPPED by defenders last season? Just sayin :)

    Holmes saved his azz numerous times with some fantastic catches in tight coverage if I recall....the EZ toe tap td vs Pats comes to kind right away...


    This should be a defining year for both Sanchez and Henne, assuming they play.......
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    Why is he going to be a good QB ?

    Bradford looks like he is going to be a good QB, Freeman looks like he is going to be a good QB. Why is Sanchez going to be one? He hasn't showed much imo.
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    For any QB thrown into the fire so immediately, he's done quite an impressive job. There aren't many guys that start from day one and take their team to the AFC Championship game back to back years. His numbers aren't phenomenal yet, and I don't see him as a legendary, prolific passer, but the guy is going to be a good player. His competitive drive is clearly evident.

    And to the poster saying Holmes bailed him out time and time again, you must have not watched many Jets games. Holmes and Edwards dropped an egregious number of passes throughout the year. Also, every QB has potential INTs that are dropped. It's part of the game. You don't think Brady could have just as easily had 10+ INTs this past year if defenders reeled in every one of his passes they got their hands on?
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    That is what really stuck out like a sore thumb to me too.

    In addition, Stafford should be somewhere in the middle of group D. And if you're putting Dalton in there, where are Gabbert and Ponder?
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    he actually has, at times, just like bradford and freeman

    moreso because some of his very good moments were in some clutch playoff wins
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    Looks like you missed the thread from a few months ago sanchez-led-league-dropped-ints-his-passes where likely interceptions were discussed. I believe that it's Football Outsiders that tracks these statistics.

    At any rate, Brady had 4 likely interceptions dropped in 2010. Sanchez had the highest number by far of any QB.
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    Right now, he's a bottom tier QB, and he might have been the worst in the NFL if teams had held on to even half of his dropped INTs. Take the blinders off.
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    Yeah, these homeristic Jets blinders are killing me, man.

    Please, let me know all the other QBs that have started 30+ games their first 2 seasons (with 20 wins), 6 playoff starts (4 wins), and appeared in two conference championship games (he also has a passer rating <90 in the playoffs).

    Say whatever you want about all these interceptions that didn't happen. If Reche Caldwell doesn't choke in 06 we probably have another SB, if Ellis Hobbs doesn't trip in the end zone we might have a fifth... No one cares, because that stuff DIDN'T happen.

    If you don't see the progression in Sanchez from year one to year two, or recognize his talent/potential, you're missing the boat.
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    He went from the second worst QB in the league in 2009 to somewhere higher up in the bottom 10 in 2010. Congrats. He was still a bottom tier QB. As for the dropped INTs, it was a case of an extreme amount of fortune for him. It's not as if he had a scant handful of them. When something's an outlier, it's going to be noticed and pointed to.
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