Welcome to PatsFans.com

Brady getting old? - Not so fast .... 2008: The year of the ageless quarterback

Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by PATRIOTSFANINPA, Nov 18, 2008.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. PATRIOTSFANINPA

    PATRIOTSFANINPA Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2006
    Messages:
    15,720
    Likes Received:
    12
    Ratings:
    +12 / 0 / -0

    #12 Jersey

    There are some wack jobs in here saying maybe the team should be looking for youth down the road now that Tom Brady will be turning 32 soon

    Have those who said that Brady is getting old and we ought to be looking at the future checked the 2008 NFL Season which is the year of the ageless quarterbacks where 5 of the 8 division leaders and another team just 1 game out of the division lead have a starting quarterback in his mid to late 30s?

    Case in point of today's ageless starting quartebacks ....

    Kerry Collins QB Tennessee Titans
    Age 37- Current Team Record 10-0 - AFC South division leader

    Jake Delhomme QB Carolina Panthers
    Age 34 - Current Team Record 8-2 - NFC South division leader

    Kurt Warner QB Arizona Cardinals
    Age 37 - Current Team Record 7-3 - NFC West Division leader

    Brett Favre QB NY Jets
    Age 38 - Current Team Record 7-3 - AFC East Division leader

    Jeff Garcia QB Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    Age 38 - Current Team Record 7-3 - 2nd place in NFC South division

    Gus Frerotte QB Minnesota Vikings
    Age 37 - Current Team Record 5-5 - Tied for 1st in NFC North Division



    Next time you think Brady is going to be 32 next season and he is getting old and we need to start looking for a replacement, you just need to use these current stats as a reason to change your mind about his skills diminishing soon :rolleyes:

    Brady at 38 would be better than any of these guys - Even if that knee never gets fully back to 100%
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2008
  2. Pats726

    Pats726 Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    9,800
    Likes Received:
    8
    Ratings:
    +8 / 0 / -0

    Take a look at the past and see if this wasn't true at other times in the NFL....
  3. PATRIOTSFANINPA

    PATRIOTSFANINPA Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2006
    Messages:
    15,720
    Likes Received:
    12
    Ratings:
    +12 / 0 / -0

    #12 Jersey

    I can't recall so many division leaders led by 35 or older QBs in one season before, but you can see that its really not a big deal with quarterbacks who have been good enough to hang around the league without losing much of their technique despite their age

    We could very well see 2 QBs of ages 35 or older to meet in this years Super Bowl
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2008
  4. BoTown

    BoTown Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2005
    Messages:
    3,586
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +4 / 0 / -0

    Other QB's who are far from done: Peyton Manning (33 next season), Donovan McNabb (32 next week), Chad Pennington (33 next season).
  5. NEPatriot

    NEPatriot Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2004
    Messages:
    7,839
    Likes Received:
    11
    Ratings:
    +11 / 0 / -0

    TB is not old to play as a QB even though he is 32 years old. QB and LB are two different things. A good QB has to be smart and throw the ball well and i think that TB meets this requirement.
  6. PATRIOTSFANINPA

    PATRIOTSFANINPA Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2006
    Messages:
    15,720
    Likes Received:
    12
    Ratings:
    +12 / 0 / -0

    #12 Jersey

    Apparently McNabb lost his brain somewhere in his early 30s since he can't remember a tie ever happening

    Peyton Manning's surrounding cast of Wayne and Harrsion are aging quickly as will his performance in the next few years unless Polian continues his masterful selections in the draft and gets another steal at WR.
  7. aluminum seats

    aluminum seats Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2006
    Messages:
    2,421
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +5 / 0 / -0

    The Cold, Hard Football Facts are this: quarterbacks with 10 or more years of experience rarely win Super Bowls. You are much more likely to have a winning QB with six or fewer years of experience than you are to see a winner with 10 or more years of experience.

    Since Super Bowl V, 34 games have been played and 20 different quarterbacks have taken home the trophy as the starter. More than half of the winners had 6 or fewer years of experience. Here is the breakdown:

    Won first Super Bowl as a rookie through 3rd year of NFL experience (20%):
    Roger Staubach
    Joe Montana
    Kurt Warner
    Tom Brady

    4th through 6th year of NFL experience (35%):
    Bob Griese
    Terry Bradshaw
    Jim McMahon
    Jeff Hostetler
    Mark Rypien
    Troy Aikman
    Brett Favre

    7th through 9th year of NFL experience (30%):
    Ken Stabler
    Joe Theismann
    Phil Simms
    Doug Williams
    Trent Dilfer
    Brad Johnson

    10 years or more of NFL experience (15%):
    Jim Plunkett
    Steve Young
    John Elway
  8. BoTown

    BoTown Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2005
    Messages:
    3,586
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +4 / 0 / -0

    Must be outdated. The Mannings and Roethlisberger aren't listed.
  9. aluminum seats

    aluminum seats Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2006
    Messages:
    2,421
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +5 / 0 / -0

    Yup. Few years old.
  10. Rob0729

    Rob0729 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2006
    Messages:
    30,093
    Likes Received:
    335
    Ratings:
    +860 / 5 / -3

    Brady is a pocket passer who relies more on his brains and instincts than his physical skills (although he does throw an amazing deep ball pass). That usually translate into a long career in the NFL barring injuries. Guys who depend on more of their physical skills tend to erode earlier. Marino's play declined because he relied on his cannon of an arm and never really transitioned into more of West Coast or shorter passing type of QB. I think Donovan McNabb will start to decline in a year or two because he relies on his mobility a lot. Guys like Brady and Manning should last into their late 30s or possibly early 40s because they don't rely on their physical skills to carry them.
  11. Jared

    Jared Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2008
    Messages:
    385
    Likes Received:
    2
    Ratings:
    +6 / 0 / -0

    #75 Jersey

    Look at Vinny T and how long he hung around.
  12. Alex24

    Alex24 Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2008
    Messages:
    92
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    You don't know that
  13. xmarkd400x

    xmarkd400x Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2007
    Messages:
    1,746
    Likes Received:
    6
    Ratings:
    +6 / 0 / -0

    I'm pretty sure that, while the facts look certain, your facts have been cherry picked to get the effect you are looking for. I will list the reasons why I believe this to be the case.

    1. The beginning of the data set provides some interesting issues. You start at SB V (Why not I-IV?). Also, by definition, wouldn't the first SB where QBs had 10 years of NFL (not football) SB X?

    2. Your stat is only about when QBs win their FIRST SB. Brady has done that.

    3. Your data seems to indicate this: of all QBs that have won SBs, most of them did it early/earlier in their career. I would tend to agree: QBs that are championship caliber win championships. They don't hang around for 8 years before getting good.

    4. What you seem to be implying is that the Pats should let go of Brady because most QBs with 10+ years experience don't represent a lot of first time SB winners. Well, it wouldn't be Brady's first time, so your facts that you base your opinion on do not support your conclusion.
  14. aluminum seats

    aluminum seats Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2006
    Messages:
    2,421
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ratings:
    +5 / 0 / -0

    I'm not implying anything--material is from cold hard football facts, seemed relevent to the conversation. Don't think it's only the first sb, by the way.
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

unset ($sidebar_block_show); ?>